S-Rank mobs needs a invulnerability buff on S-RANKs

[Jojoya]

Faloop's bot relays rely on someone to actually report it first. It explicitly does not use any in-game bots or addons for its functionality, to my knowledge at least. So 'banning' it is as good as 'banning' any form of the out-of-game coordination for the hunts.

But do you know how the reporter is getting their information?

I know a lot of hunters that would be happy to see the out of game coordination banned (I'm not one of them). They preferred old school hunting. The out of game coordination becomes necessary because we've taken the Hunt beyond SE's intent for the content and the game chat channels can't handle the number of players involved in a single channel. Go back to old school hunting and it's not needed.

I wouldn't expect Faloop to get banned as a third party app. Faloop's problems are from the Nuisance Behavior and Obstruction of Game Play policies.

It is expecting the entire FFXIV hunt community to play by its rules when not everyone in the community is a member of Faloop nor does it have the authority to set rules for in-game activity. Have any idea how much harassment I've witnessed in game that was encouraged by the following from their Discord guidelines?

Hunt Disruption
First and foremost, we take any attempts at disrupting hunt activity very seriously and will take actions towards eliminating such behaviour. Both spawning S-Ranks and conducting A-Rank trains are done by a team of volunteers; there is no extra incentive for doing so. Please appreciate their efforts and engage the mark in accordance with their instructions!

Below is a non-exhaustive list of examples of what constitutes Hunt Disruption:

• Engaging combat with the mark against the direction of the spawner/conductor, known as "early pulling".
• Hijacking the direction away from the spawner/conductor, including altering their pull time.
• For A-Rank trains specifically: running ahead of the train and calling the next mark with the intention to split the group.

Yes, basic courtesy and consideration for those who have put in the work goes far yet it is not Faloop's place to decide what constitutes hunt disruption or to "take actions towards eliminating such behaviour". That is up to SE and its GM team, and they've given us just two situations: resetting a mark that's already been engaged by players and using the mark for MPK.

[Heroman3003]

Yes, basic courtesy and consideration for those who have put in the work goes far yet it is not Faloop's place to decide what constitutes hunt disruption or to "take actions towards eliminating such behaviour". That is up to SE and its GM team, and they've given us just two situations: resetting a mark that's already been engaged by players and using the mark for MPK.

And it is no different from getting blacklisted from the hunting linkshells. Its same thing, just taken to wider scale, that game does not allow you to. Which is kinda necessary with how far spread out all the hunt stuff has become, and how grindy the achievements related to it are. Faloop isn't doing anything forbidden by just blacklisting people from their community based on behaviour in the game. And the harassment is no different than the type linkshell users could engage in direction of those who are not involved, or are not involved and show no respect or courtesy. Faloop is no different from a giant linkshell that actually works well, because SE refuses to give ones big enough to be worth it with the current state of the game.

[Jojoya]

Faloop, as a tool, strictly speaking, is just that. It's a place for people to tick whether or not it's killed or spawned, or spawnable or whatever. Even if we had third party tools allowing to know that, you still are going to need people to keep the website up to date, as well as spawn and kill said Hunt.
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Right. Faloop as a simple tool for tracking and relays is fine. It's why I'll still mention Faloop to new hunters in addition to linkshells, Centurio and any other data center specific hunt resource. It's some of the rules applied to those using the tool that are a problem for me. As much as those rules should be common sense, not everyone agrees with them. They want to hunt on their own terms within what the game allows instead of being forced to conform to rules set by a community organized outside of the game. The game allows them that and it should be respected.

And it is no different from getting blacklisted from the hunting linkshells. Its same thing, just taken to wider scale, that game does not allow you to. Which is kinda necessary with how far spread out all the hunt stuff has become, and how grindy the achievements related to it are. Faloop isn't doing anything forbidden by just blacklisting people from their community based on behaviour in the game. And the harassment is no different than the type linkshell users could engage in direction of those who are not involved, or are not involved and show no respect or courtesy. Faloop is no different from a giant linkshell that actually works well, because SE refuses to give ones big enough to be worth it with the current state of the game.

Being blacklisted from Faloop use isn't what I'm referring to. It's the active witchhunting and harassment that Faloop users engage in because others aren't following Faloop's rules.

If Faloop would promote more tolerance for alternate play styles, it would be far less of a problem. Instead, Faloop has decided to "take actions towards eliminating such behaviour" (that is the exact language in their guidelines). That only encourages their members to engage in the witchhunting and harassment.