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    Quote Originally Posted by Heroman3003 View Post
    Faloop's bot relays rely on someone to actually report it first. It explicitly does not use any in-game bots or addons for its functionality, to my knowledge at least. So 'banning' it is as good as 'banning' any form of the out-of-game coordination for the hunts.
    But do you know how the reporter is getting their information?

    I know a lot of hunters that would be happy to see the out of game coordination banned (I'm not one of them). They preferred old school hunting. The out of game coordination becomes necessary because we've taken the Hunt beyond SE's intent for the content and the game chat channels can't handle the number of players involved in a single channel. Go back to old school hunting and it's not needed.

    I wouldn't expect Faloop to get banned as a third party app. Faloop's problems are from the Nuisance Behavior and Obstruction of Game Play policies.

    It is expecting the entire FFXIV hunt community to play by its rules when not everyone in the community is a member of Faloop nor does it have the authority to set rules for in-game activity. Have any idea how much harassment I've witnessed in game that was encouraged by the following from their Discord guidelines?

    Hunt Disruption
    First and foremost, we take any attempts at disrupting hunt activity very seriously and will take actions towards eliminating such behaviour. Both spawning S-Ranks and conducting A-Rank trains are done by a team of volunteers; there is no extra incentive for doing so. Please appreciate their efforts and engage the mark in accordance with their instructions!

    Below is a non-exhaustive list of examples of what constitutes Hunt Disruption:
    • Engaging combat with the mark against the direction of the spawner/conductor, known as "early pulling".
    • Hijacking the direction away from the spawner/conductor, including altering their pull time.
    • For A-Rank trains specifically: running ahead of the train and calling the next mark with the intention to split the group.
    Yes, basic courtesy and consideration for those who have put in the work goes far yet it is not Faloop's place to decide what constitutes hunt disruption or to "take actions towards eliminating such behaviour". That is up to SE and its GM team, and they've given us just two situations: resetting a mark that's already been engaged by players and using the mark for MPK.
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    Last edited by Jojoya; 11-12-2022 at 11:40 AM.

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