What is your favorite QoL that's coming in 6.3?

[Atelier-Bagur]

Speaking about that UI improvement, I wonder how's the feeling of the guy who got banned because of party timer buff and then SE decided to add it later on...

He didnt get banned for inputting helpful information into the UI.


He got banned for doing so illegally. I dont get why people need to make this so complicated. Its like lets say I break into your house right? But the intended purpose was to leave some baked cookies for you and not do anything else beyond that. Sure it was ultimately a nice gesture.....but I would still get arrested for breaking into your house to do so. I get punished for the actual act not for the results of it.

[Reimmi]

He didnt get banned for inputting helpful information into the UI.


He got banned for doing so illegally. I dont get why people need to make this so complicated. Its like lets say I break into your house right? But the intended purpose was to leave some baked cookies for you and not do anything else beyond that. Sure it was ultimately a nice gesture.....but I would still get arrested for breaking into your house to do so. I get punished for the actual act not for the results of it.

Are we really comparing breaking into someones home with chat bubble plugins lol
ya'll anti modders are insane

[Deveryn]

Are we really comparing breaking into someones home with chat bubble plugins lol
ya'll anti modders are insane

Not everyone that feels this way is anti-mod. It's about playing smart and understanding the risk you take using such a thing. You can have the best of intentions, but if your approach doesn't respect the rules, you (and the people that see it happen) have to accept the consequences.

[ForteNightshade]

He didnt get banned for inputting helpful information into the UI.


He got banned for doing so illegally. I dont get why people need to make this so complicated. Its like lets say I break into your house right? But the intended purpose was to leave some baked cookies for you and not do anything else beyond that. Sure it was ultimately a nice gesture.....but I would still get arrested for breaking into your house to do so. I get punished for the actual act not for the results of it.

The issue people have is none of these UI improvement would have happened without those players essentially sacrificing themselves at the alter. We've been asking for a physical or magical damage indicator for years now. The last time Yoshida went on a tangent how it wouldn't be feasible because of such and such. I'd have to find the post but some with tech knowledge went so far as to break down how absolutely ridiculous his statements were because they simply didn't make sense. It's no small coincidence they've only started adding these improvements after people resorted to third party tools.

To borrow your analogy. While breaking into your house is illegal, you can no way to actually lock any of your doors or windows. Someone could literally walk right on in, albeit uninvited. Only after someone does precisely that are you then allowed to actually lock your door. Bit ridiculous and illogical, right? That's essentially how these bans feels.

[Heroman3003]

The issue people have is none of these UI improvement would have happened without those players essentially sacrificing themselves at the alter. We've been asking for a physical or magical damage indicator for years now. The last time Yoshida went on a tangent how it wouldn't be feasible because of such and such. I'd have to find the post but some with tech knowledge went so far as to break down how absolutely ridiculous his statements were because they simply didn't make sense. It's no small coincidence they've only started adding these improvements after people resorted to third party tools.

To borrow your analogy. While breaking into your house is illegal, you can no way to actually lock any of your doors or windows. Someone could literally walk right on in, albeit uninvited. Only after someone does precisely that are you then allowed to actually lock your door. Bit ridiculous and illogical, right? That's essentially how these bans feels.

Even now he's saying that most likely it will take many extra patches of fixing afterwards because its expected that in a lot of lesser known side content or older content, the indicators will just be wrong. He doesnt go back on it being unfeasible, but he clearly recgnizes the extent to which community demands it.

[Midareyukki]

I ultimately dont care honestly, just tired of seeing people cry and act surprised over getting caught and banned over something they knew was going to get them in trouble.

To borrow your analogy. While breaking into your house is illegal, you can no way to actually lock any of your doors or windows. Someone could literally walk right on in, albeit uninvited. Only after someone does precisely that are you then allowed to actually lock your door. Bit ridiculous and illogical, right? That's essentially how these bans feels.

Botting the game or using third party tools is a punishable offence. Period. People naturally know this, hence why there's a "don't ask, don't tell" sort of policy around these things. No matter how much Square insists they don't want to go on a tirade and mass-ban people or put anti-third party tool software in the game, they still take reports seriously when there's enough evidence of it.

That said, just because it's an offence against the ToS doesn't mean it's inherently bad. Which is great that SE is paying attention to these tools, since some are relatively useful. We shouldn't be having these tools to begin with. However the fact that these tools managed to do what we've been telling them for 10 years, and having taken them 10 years to actually listen, leave a bad taste. People have been asking to display damage types for a while, and reactions to those things have been how it breaks the game or how it kills the fun of figuring out what to use to mitigate the damage. Hell, what even is that third one, neutral damage? Is it pre-programmed damage that you can't mitigate, like 1k Needles?

Atelier's right; even if the tool is useful and doesn't break the game, people shouldn't be so surprised that the mere use of them is a dangerous thing to do. It's banned, no matter how minor, innocuous or benevolent it is. That's not an opinion, that's just fact. Square doesn't care, they explicitly say "Don't do this", they're already conceding to a very slim gray margin in not tracking your game settings. If you get caught, there just is no gray area, you're done.

But past that, Nightshade's right also. Ok, sure, heavy workload on the devs, but there are so many additions to the game that are just "not great" versus the stuff that we've been asking for years and they kept saying "No". And then when 3rd party tools start being widespread because they provide what fans ACTUALLY ASKED FOR, they get surprised about it and start working on those things? Why not do it before, we've only been asking for longer than FF16 has been around...
I remember when we started having additions to GPose like freezing weather and time, saving camera settings, stuff like that, the moment tools like uh... not Anamnesis, the one that came before Anamnesis, forgot the name... like, that started getting widespread use, and suddenly they add features to GPose.

Like, I get it that they have their own vision. And I get that not everything the fans ask for is good. But some stuff are overall seen as positive additions, and they skirt around them. More inventory space? Can't do that. Different housing purchase system? Can't have that. Show us the freaking damage types so we can reliably use the mitigation you give us rather than leave us wonder why a LASER is doing physical damage? And then look what happened, we got that.
People shouldn't be messing with their game with third party tools to get what we've asked for years. That's how you end up with modders fixing some models and gear, which draws people over to modding even harder than they already are. They shouldn't, not just because it's a bannable thing. They shouldn't because they also shouldn't insist on things that ARE doable with Square just ignoring it and handwaving it all the time. And then implementing stuff far fewer people even asked for.

Anyway, rant aside... that's just me, I know I don't know jack.

[ASkellington]

But past that, Nightshade's right also. Ok, sure, heavy workload on the devs, but there are so many additions to the game that are just "not great" versus the stuff that we've been asking for years and they kept saying "No". And then when 3rd party tools start being widespread because they provide what fans ACTUALLY ASKED FOR, they get surprised about it and start working on those things? Why not do it before, we've only been asking for longer than FF16 has been around...

Pretty much this. Most any other MMO on the market has party buff timers as a staple OR if they don't they allow the use of mods to make it easier on the devs so they don't have to do all that work (see ESO).

Yeah, mods are against TOS and it is on any streamer/creator/player to be advised that one wrong misstep will get them banned, that said, SE isn't blameless TOS aside when their player base as asked for legal versions to begin with. I alone asked for party buff timers in SHADOWBRINGERS. That we're only getting it now, is ridiculous. Plain and simple.

[DarmaniLink]

This isn't comparable to breaking into someone's house because this is victimless.

This is more like building something on your property without a zoning permit and the department of public works gets pissy