Tales from Duty Finder: Some make you laugh, some make you cry. Let's vent. 2.0

[TheHyperFusion]

I had a WHM in Porta Decumana wipe us twice because
Wipe #1: They only ever cast Medica and Medica II while out in the boondocks with the BLM while tank and I were melee'ing. Tank died as a result after using invuln and so yeah.
Wipe #2: They ran away with the stack marker in phase 2, thus nuking themselves because they didn't know what it was despite both Castrum and Prae having it. This time, they at least used Cure and Cure II - the latter of which only when Free Cure proc'd.
I never saw a Stone, Aero, or Lucid Dreaming used. I only saw Presence of Mind used once. They constantly ran out of MP.
They had three of their item level 50 WHM gear equipped. Everything else was 47 and lower, including some Lv.1 jewellery.
I'm sure they were a free trial, but by the Twelve how tf did they even get to that point without learning their kit.

[Dikatis]

So I was in the Level 87 dungeon when I noticed that our DRK was dying awfully fast. I wasn't sure what was happening since I was healing on time, the DRK was mitigating frequently and properly, and the Reaper and Bard were using their AOE abilities.

Then I looked at the Bard. They weren't using any of their songs. I wasn't sure if they were just half-asleep or anything, so I asked them if they forgot or something. But nope, still refusing to use any songs until about halfway through the first boss when they FINALLY popped Wanderer's Minuet (not in sync with any burst windows, mind you). Then they went right back to not using any songs until the next boss, popped Wanderer's Minuet halfway win, and then no songs again.

I don't even think they were a bot because I think bots would play better.

[Midareyukki]

Just had a WHM who did nothing but spam Cure 3 on P8 Normal. The poor AST was having a panic attack, their co-healer kept dying on top of misusing his kit, the tank was too slow to react and some DPS got caught on AoEs. And to top it all off, the tank LB'd while we could have used it to raise everyone. I'm so glad I went SMN on that thing. My poor MP bar, though.

[EnigmaticDodo]

Just had a WHM who did nothing but spam Cure 3 on P8 Normal. The poor AST was having a panic attack, their co-healer kept dying on top of misusing his kit, the tank was too slow to react and some DPS got caught on AoEs. And to top it all off, the tank LB'd while we could have used it to raise everyone. I'm so glad I went SMN on that thing. My poor MP bar, though.

The Cure III spam is the worst. iT's A hIghEr CuRe NuMbeR!!!! iF OnLy I cOulD ReAD!

[Cheremia]

I let a Warrior die in Troias last pull

Not intentionally
We both just shared a singular braincell and it turns out, the braincell actually was a grain of rice

I thought they'd holmgang and heal themself up
They ALSO thought they'd hit holmgang and heal themself up
They fell REALLY low so i Bened... and it was too late

Turns out they Holmganged and it serverticked too late so they died
I had them targeted too, i just looked at it and was like "uuuh how low do they go before healing"

And i wanted to finish my holy cast before Bene... :C

Just had a WHM who did nothing but spam Cure 3 on P8 Normal. The poor AST was having a panic attack, their co-healer kept dying on top of misusing his kit, the tank was too slow to react and some DPS got caught on AoEs. And to top it all off, the tank LB'd while we could have used it to raise everyone. I'm so glad I went SMN on that thing. My poor MP bar, though.

At some point, keeping them dead and solely focusing on healing when its needed and dpsing yourself is the better option.
If your cohealer is garbage and keeps dying (as in, spamming cure 3...), leave them dead, don't panic and just do what you'd usually do.

You may need to heal a little bit more but Ast is perfectly capable of pumping out heals!

Next time anybody sees something like that happen, tell the healer (if you aren't the healer) to keep their mp and swiftcasts for other people that may die accidentally. I don't care how petty that comes across, but a healer panicing to keep ressing the other healer just begs for snowballing and them not having a fun time.
I certainly would keep them dead, and I usually play healer. I have better things to do.

I will try to raise new people, but i will not try to raise people that don't play the game C:

[PirateRyanG]

The Cure III spam is the worst. iT's A hIghEr CuRe NuMbeR!!!! iF OnLy I cOulD ReAD!

Then....why not tell them?

It takes a casual mention and that is it.

I am guilty of not reading that Cure 3 properly, as are countless WHM before me. It took one person to say "hey, use Cure II instead" and it was fine.

In many people's brains, it is just an automatic assumption that Cure III is more powerful than Cure II. After all, you just upgraded to Cure II from Cure I, and Cure II was more powerful. You would assume that this process continues, not give you a weaker spell.

Don't just belittle them on a forum. Every time I see somebody using Cure III (which mostly happens in early trials, since I only ever heal and don't encounter healers otherwise), I just drop a message and the response is something like "oh, I didn't realise. Thanks for telling me!"

If you are just belittling rather than helping, then leave the game.

If your cohealer is garbage and keeps dying (as in, spamming cure 3...),

Or, you know what? You could help them so they don't make that mistake next time? It takes mere seconds to say "you should use cure II rather than cure III. More potency for less MP". I can guarantee you that anybody spamming Cure III hasn't been told this at all. Tell them. They change their gameplay up because of that.

Cure III is an awfully named spell, and a lot of people will have fallen into that trap. I believe the French and German versions of the game call it something different to make sure that it isn't implied that it is a step-up from II.

[Cheremia]

Then....why not tell them?

You're assuming people DON'T go into immediate defensive mode

I almost got kicked out of an alliance raid before because I asked why my co-whm was spamming cure 2. And then they told me they were fishing for free-cure. And I simply said that Cure 2 does not procc Freecure and that freecure-fishing is wasting mp.
I got passive-agressived at for implying that holy is a good button in dungeon pulls before.
I have told Whms before that Cure III is worse than cure 2 and they got extremely defensive towards me
I remember an AST and their just-jumped DNC friend in copied factory that got into a hissy fit because people were wondering if the dancer is a bot. AND got extremely pissed after I said to dance partner a dps.
etc.
At some point in the game, people should maybe at least consider reading their tooltips - i am the first one to point out if somebody does something horribly wrong - and i'm the one that has to listen to people white-knighting the person that doesn't want to admit they maybe use a skill or two wrong

At some point I DONT want to have to care for people that don't want to play the game, don't read what the game provides them, nor take normally said "hey cure III is bad" sort of stuff.
At level 90 you SHOULD know what your spells do, dunno why that's such a weird thing to expect.
Leaving them dead instead of panicrising after the 5th time is something everybody should do, since it saves mp, nerves and the rest of the group AND you. I'm responsible for more than one healer that keeps dying.

I don't expect anything good from people, many of them are awfully allergic to any tips and other people defend those people to the death. I've seen it all (paying attention after 3 wipes in orbonne - WOW TOXIC ELITIST - too)
Telling people in Frontlines to not fight last place often also gives sassy remarks, i have seen it all.

Also in German it's Vita, Vitra and Vitaga, the same naming convention, just the typical ra to ga instead of numbers, so also no indication of it being different from the other two. Cure II also just flatout has more potency than cure III

I'm trying to help, every single time, but people don't want help.
Only the ones who actively say they're new and ask for help take help, the rest mostly doesn't care.

I keep telling tanks that Arms length is a tank cooldown and Reprisal is an AoE so also good for trashpulls, too
I keep telling Schs to use excog and Soil, too
I have babysat uncomfortable whms into at least using one swiftcast holy per pull, keep the tank targeted and see how comfortable they are with casting more holies in a pull after the first stun. And for those people, it usually works- they see that "wow holy stun is pretty neat" so they actually at least use it 3 times in a pull until the immunity kicks in. And I will do it again. A friend of mine tries the same with Schs. More often than not it will give sass and defensive, sometimes it helps tho and then its worth it

And I AM a casual myself, yet i get so much shit thrown my way just for suggesting to maybe do something different - because being decent at a game is a crime for some people

But I guess you just meet nicer people than me because most of the ones I'm trying to help tell me i'm wrong and toxic and an elistist

[PirateRyanG]

*snip*

Then you have had some seriously crappy parties.

Although, I do partially agree with the Holy thing.

It is REALLY irritating when somebody says "use holy". I even encountered somebody that had macroed it once.

I find a lot of tanks/DPS don't pay attention to their health bars. So, it sucks to have them scream "USE HOLY" when even the 2-second stun won't save a tank that is refusing to move out of the red stuff. That, and a lot of people who have screamed "use holy" don't seem to be aware that it is roughly a 3 second cast, and thus if the pack is still moving, it is pointless to use.

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

For the first time since couple of months… finally a party in Stigma Dreamscape that agreed entirely to skip last boss adds after I typed “Feel free to ignore adds.” as a healer.

Until then, there’s always at least 1 player that went into panic mode trying to burst the add once they saw that ‘Self Destruct’ charging.

[Cheremia]

Then you have had some seriously crappy parties.

Although, I do partially agree with the Holy thing.

I say „holy stuns so a swiftcast holy will make it easier for you when the tank is done pulling“ to struggling whms.

That is not demanding to spam holy, its not demanding to dps.
Holy is incredibly useful for the tank and you because of the stun.
And every healer other than ast has the luxury that they can keep the tank targeted, too
I always only mention the stun of holy

I will still try to help but if you spam cure III in level 90content with no damage going out - you‘re legit a hinderance to your cohealer.
I will try, if they don‘t listen and continue spamming heals and keep dying, my raise-priority for them will fall VERY low

And i tell people that dying happens, all good, doesn‘t matter (ESPECIALLY if you‘re new)
I have a lot of sympathy for people but at some point you should know that, even as a heal princess, you dont need to always heal.

And i can only raise so much, i rather keep the rest of the party alive

Honest mistakes are a thing but the way that post reads, it looked like that was the only thing they were using - other than dying - so i find it hard to see it as an honest mistake

And you have too much faith in others because you read the tooltip wrong
Most people that spam cures dont use thin air/lucid/assize so they straight up never read tooltips and or just don‘t care
Those are the people that get offended if you give them a tip