Constant Vulgarity in Public Chat. WHY is this allowed?

[Midareyukki]

I've always found it ironic how the same people who argue against judging others and claim that everyone should express themselves and their sexuality how they like... will immediately shame other people as "prudes" for preferring not to be involved in it and not having it pushed into their faces all the time.

It's hardly puritan to not want a quasi-nightclub/ red-light district in a teen-rated fantasy game. The RP community thrived for many years without all this ridiculous advertising and keeping relatively to themselves, it's gone far beyond obnoxious.

See, this would be an excellent point to make, that the people who clamour for freedom the most aren't respecting people with their own tastes (or distastes) and preferences, even if said preferences meant an aversion to sexual or lewd content...

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We had any indication that that's what OP meant. OP just uses descriptors such as "filth" and "Vulgarity", yet neither provides evidence for it nor clarifies what was actually said. And yes, there are ways to refer to what happened in safe ways without being explicit. It is unclear whether the content was sexual in nature, aggressive in nature, or whichever. In fact, the fact that we have no evidence for what happened, with the majority expressing they've never seen people go over the line, doesn't help. It makes it look like OP is being slandarous themself, rather than actively showing that there was foul language involved. Meaning the mocking tone isn't because people are against puritanism or asexuality. It's because of how off the whole situation looks.

So umm. Sorry but you sure you're not jumping the gun to virtue-signal a bit? :x Because yes, this is what you get for being so vague, unfortunately. People will not take you seriously. It doesn't necessarily speak of anyone's character nor respect/lack thereof for people who prefer clean spaces or even asexuals. Rather it speaks of the absurdity of the thread. There is a fine line that the community draws anyway; look no further than the character portraits that showered Square Enix with reports to the point where it became a bannable offense. Meaning these things would definitely trip over far more landmines than one person coming in and insisting they saw... "something". The fact remains that people are skeptical, and you haven't seen that many people corroborating those occurrences, which only hampers credibility. And a hampered credibility leads to mockery. Unfortunately.

Edit: Now, you can argue, "Well OP saw something and made them uncomfortable, why are you mocking?". Which again loops back to the problem. Whenever asked, they refused to elaborate. We cannot help them if that's the route they choose to take. And naturally, without knowing what it was or the intensity, it's really easy to assume that this is a troll thread. Made over what's likely nothing. By someone who rather than being uncomfortable over serious things, likely needs thicker skin.

[Lunaxia]

See, this would be an excellent point to make, that the people who clamour for freedom the most aren't respecting people with their own tastes (or distastes) and preferences, even if said preferences meant an aversion to sexual or lewd content...

OP actually explained himself in the first post - it's the ads that were bothering him, and what they were advertising for, and the relentlessness of it. Which a majority of the thread agrees with, because it is everywhere at the moment. Does it have to be a borderline pornographic description for OP to be bothered by having brothels and escort services ads thrown at him when he ventures into town or opens PF? We're not exactly playing GTAonline here. The demand for evidence feels a little arbitrary, particularly when all of us are well-acquainted with what he's talking about.

[Midareyukki]

OP actually explained himself in the first post - it's the ads that were bothering him, and what they were advertising for, and the relentlessness of it. Which a majority of the thread agrees with, because it is everywhere at the moment. Does it have to be a borderline pornographic description for OP to be bothered by having brothels and escort services ads thrown at him when he ventures into town or opens PF? We're not exactly playing GTAonline here. The demand for evidence feels a little arbitrary, particularly when all of us are well-acquainted with what he's talking about.

Yeah. And nowhere is that the question of what's so vulgar and filthy about them. Merely that they are spammy. Which, as you said, everyone agreed.

What does spam have to do with people making fun of his sensibilities? Obviously nothing, right? You answered such yourself, no less! That it doesn't, and the people in this thread agreed that the spam was irritating, even across other Worlds.

...which is why you're willfully ignoring all the rest that OP did say. That is the problem. Those descriptors are what people are pointing out. WERE they venues of brothels and escort services? We don't know. When we asked, there was no proper response to it. Not even a simple yes or no, just vagueness. We only filled in the gaps based on the vagueness and the descriptions they gave.

We're well-acquainted with the spam, Lunaxia. Again, you said so yourself, everyone here agreed. What we didn't agree on was the intensity of the content, nor whether they're "filthy" or "vulgar". MANY things are posted all around the servers. Zodiark, for instance, spams nightclub venues all the time. But escort services and such? We don't know if that's what OP was referring to, and not everyone agreed that the posts are filthy or vulgar. And a lot of people did post their incredulity at that, which is why they asked for elaboration. So you're right, they agreed on the spam. But that's not what led to what you're complaining.

[Lunaxia]

Yeah. And nowhere is that the question of what's so vulgar and filthy about them...

...I think it's the spamming of what are obviously brothel and ERP services in a game inclusive of a relatively young audience where one would not expect to encounter such content, no?

I'm acknowledging everything OP said, and I'm confident that's absolutely what they were because I see them frequently. Is anyone assuming "companions for the night" to be advertising for a rousing game of scrabble? Are we pretending we don't know what that is? Or that "private dancing" is a free Manderville Mambo viewing? Again, why does it need to be Fifty Shades of PF for OP to take issue with it?

[Midareyukki]

...I think it's the spamming of what are obviously brothel and ERP services in a game inclusive of a relatively young audience where one would not expect to encounter such content, no?

I'm acknowledging everything OP said, and I'm confident that's absolutely what they were because I see them frequently. Is anyone assuming "companions for the night" to be advertising for a rousing game of scrabble? Are we pretending we don't know what that is? Or that "private dancing" is a free Manderville Mambo viewing? Again, why does it need to be Fifty Shades of PF for OP to take issue with it?

Alright, here's the thing... Clearly people aren't stupid. It's obvious that OP is referring to those spaces. In fact, I stand corrected! OP's own first post says as much:

Is there a server that has people focused on the game and not brothels and constantly putting down anybody who is not into that?

The issue that we didn't know was what about it was filthy. Their existence? Or what was in the messages? But whenever asked, OP refused to elaborate. When I say that other people were incredulous, what I mean is that their responses were "wait, ok sure, those exist, but they're rather tame, no filthy language or anything explicit generally happens". HOWEVER given what you just wrote, you have a similar experience to what OP might have had. Which, yes, it does counter the incredulity a bit. This does happen, it seems, rare though it may be. And perhaps mockery for it wasn't the best approach.

For that I will at least apologize to OP for contributing to the mocking discourse.

However, I will also ask. Is "companions for the night" and stuff like that truly so bad? I mean, we obviously know what might happen. But that's what I'm legitimately curious about. If you asked ME if that was raunchy, even with me fully aware that it's about ERP, I'd say "no". In fact, I asked for a private "dance" at a venue once. I was 100% not interested in ERP, I just had a talk with the roleplayer. Literally nothing happened :x Also kinda helps that I'm a gay man IRL playing a Hrothgar and the other person was playing a Female Viera, I literally had zero interest to begin with xD (I just want to RP with text like normal T_T)
So for me, the language has nothing "filthy" about it. Hence why I don't understand the dilemma. Is it the action itself being presented? Because... I mean, don't we all know ERP happens in certain corners? :|

[Lunaxia]

Alright, here's the thing...

Going back to my original post, I think it's just not about having it thrown in your face all the time in a space you wouldn't really expect nor want to come up against it in, combined with the sheer volume of it. You can roll your eyes and have a laugh at the odd instance, but ads are everywhere now.

Personally speaking, if I were playing something like Blade and Soul, games aimed at adult audiences in general, or going into spaces open to that sort of activity, then I would place the responsibility on myself for coming across it and either choose to leave or simply put up with it. It has always been there in FFXIV to be sure, and it's hard not to be vaguely aware of the ERP scene after years of hearing about Balmung, but it kept to itself and you generally had to seek it out to find it, which didn't really bother me. What I resent now is having it foisted on me anytime I go to gathering points or want to find a party - though this isn't just about the 18+ side of things, but all the other venues and nightclub listings - it feels intrusive and almost like I'm being pulled into the RP section of the game I've always consciously avoided and didn't ask to be invited to. FFXIV is a mainstream MMO and FF title, yet this sort of thing remind me of those shady online RP chatrooms that used to be rampant prior to the age of social media.

[hydralus]

Honestly the most vulgar people I've ever seen in shout chat aren't even ERPers. It's the shitposters talking about stuff like whether liking futa is gay or other drivel.

[Stormpeaks]

Going back to my original post, I think it's just not about having it thrown in your face all the time in a space you wouldn't really expect nor want to come up against it in, combined with the sheer volume of it. You can roll your eyes and have a laugh at the odd instance, but ads are everywhere now.

Personally speaking, if I were playing something like Blade and Soul, games aimed at adult audiences in general, or going into spaces open to that sort of activity, then I would place the responsibility on myself for coming across it and either choose to leave or simply put up with it. It has always been there in FFXIV to be sure, and it's hard not to be vaguely aware of the ERP scene after years of hearing about Balmung, but it kept to itself and you generally had to seek it out to find it, which didn't really bother me. What I resent now is having it foisted on me anytime I go to gathering points or want to find a party - though this isn't just about the 18+ side of things, but all the other venues and nightclub listings - it feels intrusive and almost like I'm being pulled into the RP section of the game I've always consciously avoided and didn't ask to be invited to. FFXIV is a mainstream MMO and FF title, yet this sort of thing remind me of those shady online RP chatrooms that used to be rampant prior to the age of social media.

You can stay away from cities, here's your fix

[Lunaxia]

You can stay away from cities, here's your fix

Or they can have their own place to advertise instead of bothering everyone ? Also they use throwaway chars to spam, so a block list doesnt help.

Removing shouts and yells is not a solution either. People shouldnt have to do that just so they dont have to deal with venue ads.

Something, something, fights in an empty room?

[Stormpeaks]

Something, something, fights in an empty room?

The ads themselves annoy me, what they contain I really dont care, which is what the OP is complaining about, if he really is unable to handle how "inappropriate" it is, then blocking shouts/yells IS a solution