Highly Notorious Monsters

[ThePatriarch]

I would almost agree with you except you are forgetting a lot of FFXIV players come from playing 5-7 years in FFXI, where we already had to deal with those kind of HNM. It was fun at the time, but most of those players either have a family now, or a career that doesn't allow them to play that much anymore, making them, in turn, casuals.

We still want to be able to get our hands on the same gear and it is taking us LONGER to do than the more hardcore people. That is perfectly fine with me. I don't need the new gear right away, i can wait a few months. What I don't think we would want is certain mobs that you need to camp for 4 hrs at a time, and compete with botters on claims.

What is the fun in that, no matter if you are hardcore or casual. Don't you remember how bad it used to be at certain stages, when you would wait for 3 hrs, only to have a bot claim the HNM in front of your face. Then drama started, mpk, stealing, bad blood between players... Look at FFXIV now, people actually help people out, that whole drama does NOT exist.

Why would anyone want it back, it's beyond me.

I mean no offense, and I apologize if you take this in a negative manner, but please read up on the thread before posting.

None of us want the long camps. Even if we keep respawn timers over 12 hour, we want just a single window, preferably less than 15 minutes.

For instance: X-HNM is due to pop in 30 mins. Multiple LS's gather. X-HMM pops, during its only 15 minute window. LS claims, all other LS's get back to whatever they were doing (unless they stay suspecting a wipe). Only 15 minutes wasted, and everyone else can get back to whatever other event they so choose.

[Abauge_Goga]

I mean no offense, and I apologize if you take this in a negative manner, but please read up on the thread before posting.

None of us want the long camps. Even if we keep respawn timers over 12 hour, we want just a single window, preferably less than 15 minutes.

For instance: X-HNM is due to pop in 30 mins. Multiple LS's gather. X-HMM pops, during its only 15 minute window. LS claims, all other LS's get back to whatever they were doing (unless they stay suspecting a wipe). Only 15 minutes wasted, and everyone else can get back to whatever other event they so choose.

The problem won't be necessarily in the long respawn or short respwan. I hear you and see where you are coming from, but it ultimatelly comes to what gear is best.

If SE makes free roaming NM's drop the best gear in the game, you will inevitably have bots camping it, which is not a good thing.

We already have some NM's that are free roaming and noone kills them anymore since the crap they drop is crap. (except dodore).

I absolutelly want harder stuff as per your OP, i just don't think having open world HNM is the answer. Maybe SE can add more NM's roaming freely that drop certain gear that is beneficial to certain classes, but don't make it "the best" because that will lead to issues.

[ThePatriarch]

The problem won't be necessarily in the long respawn or short respwan. I hear you and see where you are coming from, but it ultimatelly comes to what gear is best.

If SE makes free roaming NM's drop the best gear in the game, you will inevitably have bots camping it, which is not a good thing.

We already have some NM's that are free roaming and noone kills them anymore since the crap they drop is crap. (except dodore).

I absolutelly want harder stuff as per your OP, i just don't think having open world HNM is the answer. Maybe SE can add more NM's roaming freely that drop certain gear that is beneficial to certain classes, but don't make it "the best" because that will lead to issues.

I sort-of agree. I don't think HNM's should drop all of the best gear. But free-roaming, open-world NM's should drop some great pieces.

I'm going to do what you all love, and reference FFXI:

Dynamis game you AF/Relics

HNM's gave you Defending Rings/Ridill's

Regular NM's gave you O.Kotes/Emp. Pin

Limbus gave you Homam/AF Upgrades.

Notice how half is Open-World, half is instanced. And that is just a morsel of the way drops went.

Again, I don't think HNM's should drop every great piece of gear. But should they drop some amazing pieces? Yes.

Instances should be giving out equally impressive drops at the same time (of course depending on difficulty/etc, we don't want hand outs).