Is SE planning to deal with ilvl cheese people?

[Rithy255]

There's so much wrong with what you're saying. I'll quickly respond to this. The incentives to continue to do 90 Aglaia and future current alliances is tomes, spiritbond and weekly coins which will be needed to upgrade tomestone gear. When the next alliance drops, we'll need coins from that and Aglaia to upgrade lunar envoy gear to 630. When the 3rd drops, it will take coins from all 3. Bank now and farm less later.

Why have 100 purple tomes for something that takes so long, compared to something such as a Level 90 dungeon that gives you 1. 80 purple tomes (only 20 less for a much shorter time) 2. the new raids only give you 20 green tomes, considering experts give more then double that, the existence of tomes in those raids are very very meaningless this is without selecting the dungeons as a expert roul because there wouldn't even be a contest then, Up the rewards and you might have a point for my "seperate 90's araids" argument, but it still stands that araids has just become "level 50 raids" because of how it rewards players quicker for having no gear and qing up for them. even if 90's gave some amazing reward it wouldn't make it good for all the other raids waiting times.

So you're saying wait until 6.3 until the content becomes useful again, nice until 6.4 comes out. It's not a good system in my opinion.

Guess I'll have to agree to disagree.

[Jojoya]

Nothing is really broken, so there's nothing to fix. There are player choices that affect the roulette. As others have noted, ilvl cheese was just a part of it. They also include not unlocking the optional tiers and generally staying away from the roulette. There are other ways to earn tomestones and xp.

The main reason for the roulettes to exist is to make certain players who are doing content for the first time get matched to a party.

This is true of Sky Pirates, Ivalice, Yorha and Myths as much as it is for CT. There are players who want to be doing those raids for the first time. Sky Pirates and Ivalice are now gatekeeping access to other content. Myths probably also will at some point in the future (I doubt Yorha would because it just doesn't fit into the FFXIV universe).

CT being part of the Alliance roulette is holding back party matching for the first timers to the other raids at this point because it's the only common denominator. Telling people "don't do the roulette" doesn't help get those groups formed for first timers created.

Pulling CT out of the Alliance roulette is the best solution. If they think it will work with MSQ roulette, great. If not, give it a separate roulette.

[hynaku]

Maybe there just not many that raid anymore is why the queues is so long. Once you get all your jobs to level 90 there no point to earn xp anymore. Maybe increase the gil rewards or give items out for special items for those that is max level. Maybe then your raid queues might be lower. I hardly ever run alliance raids there's no point. I can the get tomes from running msq roulette and beast tribe to cap. I don't think there is many that unequip gear to get CT raids. I have only seen couple times ones with no gear on when enter.

[Fyrebrand]

If you take off all your gear before queuing for alliance raid your ilvl becomes too low to queue into anything but the crystal tower series

Wait, if you take all your gear OFF? I assumed they just swapped to gear with a lower iLevel. Why the heck are you even allowed to queue for a roulette with empty gear slots!? In my opinion you should be able to queue if and only if you are fully geared with equipment that has the appropriate stats for your current job/role. That way, at least the people trying to cheese the system are hassled with the burden of bags/armory full of weak/redundant gear for each job they want to cheat with. Surely Squeenix can manage to implement a check for this, no?

They should just move tower raids into the main story roulette at this point.

Hmm, maybe... but then what I fear is the exploiters would all bandwagon over to MSQ Roulette, and then if they actually get something like Praetorium they will immediately leave. We JUST finally arrived at a place where newbies experiencing the climax of the ARR story don't have to suffer a toxic fustercluck nightmare that makes them want to quit the game. Can we please not shovel our Alliance Raid problems down the hill and onto them?

I would be more a fan of adjusting and restoring Crystal Tower content to actually represent the challenge level it was meant to be when it launched, so that mechanics aren't skipped and we can actually see what the bosses are meant to be like.

[Reimmi]

I didn't even know this was a thing, TIL. But I'm actually happy when I get CT raids because why would I prefer a 40+ min raid when I get the same daily rewards for a 20 min one? There are some serious raid balance issues imo.

Easy solution then
Make it like MSQ roulette used to be
Crystal tower raids give the least exp, and the others give more depending on length

[DixieBellOCE]

Easy solution then
Make it like MSQ roulette used to be
Crystal tower raids give the least exp, and the others give more depending on length

They should just make Crystal Tower a solo duty with Trust.
Since its required for MSQ just make it MSQ.

[Ranaku]

This is getting a bit much

Question, was this on prime time. Like if you play when everyone is asleep anyways ofc you won't find any group for high end content.

Second question, have you tried not playing damagedealer?

Third question, might i inform you that stuff like..."friends" and "partyfinder" exists?

[Saraide]

Question, was this on prime time. Like if you play when everyone is asleep anyways ofc you won't find any group for high end content.

Second question, have you tried not playing damagedealer?

Third question, might i inform you that stuff like..."friends" and "partyfinder" exists?

DPS have good queues in alliance raids specifically because of the special party composition. 5 out of 8 players are dps instead of the regular 4 out of 8.

[UkcsAlias]

They honestly need to shift CT raids into the MSQ Roulette since it is now part of the MSQ.

And that has the issue, all the other MSQ duties are 4man now. 24man is on that suddenly a bit excessive.

As quickest fix i would say they just need to set the max ilvl for the raid to be significantly lower so these raids automaticly become more difficult (even without rework). Even if these raids remain easier, if time wise they arent the fastest anymore, it is a massive improvement since it rewards going for the more difficult ones.

But i think that ilvl cheese even in that case should still be handled. Since people who used to do this wont change (even if a duty takes longer, the convenience of mindless playing can still do a lot). And for this, they should adjust the rewards:
ilvl below 270 only poetics, below 400 also only poetics but a higher value, between 400 and 589 (basicly only missing the EW raids) poetics and red tomestones, above 590 get both red and green.

The 50 and 60 raids will still be the most common after changing this (because f2p), but instead of just 3, we then at least have 6 options for variety.

[Katt_Felista]

People removing piece of gear to mess with the raiding system just to do the fastest raids available ? That's a new one, but don't underestimate's lazyness creativity when it comes to just profit from a system.