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  1. #1801
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    ChrysOCE's Avatar
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    D'ark Bunny
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    Behemoth
    Main Class
    Warrior Lv 100
    Sohm Al on an alt doing WHM. WAR tank dies before first boss and comments of "I'll dial it back" and "that bit is always rough". Yea, it is when you pull wall2wall and don't use ANY mitigations! Was watching his health bar like a hawk and I saw Rampart used once, during the whole dungeon. Nothing else. Like, what are you doing???

    And then, straight after, Bismarck. Co-healer WHM. Literally no offensive actions taken. Even when jumping on his back, just... nothing.

    Le sigh
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  2. #1802
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    Cincierta's Avatar
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    Gridania
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    Character
    Alaha Vellonnu
    World
    Lamia
    Main Class
    White Mage Lv 100
    I'm still trying to comprehend this.

    Got out of a Troia run a few days ago on my SMN since I'm rusty and wanted to try to shake the rust off. Friend decides to go SCH for expert and we get Troia. Tank is WAR and my co-dps is SMN.

    Things were taking forever to die despite my aoe'ing like mad. Turned out my co-dps was not only at the bottom of the threat pool, but they were barely aoe'ing in w2w trash pulls. They barely used Bahamut and other summons, which hurt to watch. The war made a passing comment about how 'there was too much arcanist', which I didn't realize then as someone not doing their job. It wasn't until my friend spoke up about how stuff was dying slowly that I realized the tank was subtly talking about the other smn acting like an arcanist.

    Said friend was asking me too as to why the holy heck the other smn was constantly 4th in aggro on every single pull. And last boss they never went into Phoenix. But strangely enough they would use Searing Light whenever it was off cooldown and trying to overwrite mine.

    Why...why would you not aoe in a 90 dungeon? Why would you not want stuff to die before we run out of resources? Why don't you like lots of big numbers? Big numbers as dps is gud for dps brain. It make unga-bunga REAL unga-bunga!
    (4)
    This one is beyond your help. Only sleep can save her now.

  3. #1803
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    Absimiliard's Avatar
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    Cassius Rex
    World
    Louisoix
    Main Class
    Gladiator Lv 90
    Sounds to me like you might have encountered a bot. They've been infiltrating the roulette a lot more than normal as of late, and it really does show in the increased number of stories like this one.
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  4. #1804
    Player Midareyukki's Avatar
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    Bozja
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    Character
    Harun Asubra
    World
    Zodiark
    Main Class
    Warrior Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Rein_eon_Osborne View Post
    Blue is the GNB. Green is the WHM.

    Ok sure, he was using mitigation, but was he using it correctly?

    Because the amount of tanks that I see wall-pulling only to ever only use stuff like Heart of Corundum and almost nothing else is apalling. Special shoutout to the special breed of tanks that does this, and then saves stuff like Vengeance/Sentinel/Shadow Wall/Nebula for boss auto attacks.

    The most damage is dealt at the start of pulls, because that's when stuff is still alive and kicking. That's the most important part to mitigate. Most tanks forego this and think that they can get by with the minimum mitigation or just random stuff like a single Aurora. Or worse, the tanks that splurge ALL of their mitigation all at once and then have nothing for when the timers run out.
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  5. #1805
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    ronibosch's Avatar
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    Character
    Kukuru Ka'an
    World
    Behemoth
    Main Class
    Warrior Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Midareyukki View Post
    Ok sure, he was using mitigation, but was he using it correctly?

    Because the amount of tanks that I see wall-pulling only to ever only use stuff like Heart of Corundum and almost nothing else is apalling. Special shoutout to the special breed of tanks that does this, and then saves stuff like Vengeance/Sentinel/Shadow Wall/Nebula for boss auto attacks.

    The most damage is dealt at the start of pulls, because that's when stuff is still alive and kicking. That's the most important part to mitigate. Most tanks forego this and think that they can get by with the minimum mitigation or just random stuff like a single Aurora. Or worse, the tanks that splurge ALL of their mitigation all at once and then have nothing for when the timers run out.
    W2W pulls taught me the importance of using mitigation properly, including invuls.
    I'm surprised that there are tanks at higher levels wall-to-wall pulling without mitigation.
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  6. #1806
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    Rein_eon_Osborne's Avatar
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    Character
    Mira Clearweaver
    World
    Jenova
    Main Class
    Conjurer Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Midareyukki View Post
    Ok sure, he was using mitigation, but was he using it correctly?[...]
    Perhaps. I do heard Heart of Corundum & Aurora being used plenty of times. I do heard -a lot- of Medica II casts and a couple of Cure IIs. It could be the GNB stepped onto a couple of AoEs unnnoticed? Maybe, but Idk. It's probably if GNB actually used their cooldowns but reacting poorly to the environments. It could be the WHM was spamming Cure IIs or Medica IIs too dependably, but I could be wrong. Because as a tank, I've survived plenty of times myself even when my healer was as bad as the Cure I bots.

    I have the vaguest memory of what exactly happened for this particular occasion. One of the reason I do not add too much details into the story. They could've done it better by not being passive aggressive, sadly.
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  7. #1807
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    Absimiliard's Avatar
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    Cassius Rex
    World
    Louisoix
    Main Class
    Gladiator Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Midareyukki View Post
    Special shoutout to the special breed of tanks that does this, and then saves stuff like Vengeance/Sentinel/Shadow Wall/Nebula for boss auto attacks.
    The only reason to even use Vengeance on trash is for the extra DPS it gives you, which I'll grant is all the reason you could ever need. Beyond that, the cooldown on Bloodwhetting is short enough that you can afford to sit there and take it straight to the face without the healer ever needing to spare you a glance.
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  8. #1808
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    Rein_eon_Osborne's Avatar
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    Character
    Mira Clearweaver
    World
    Jenova
    Main Class
    Conjurer Lv 90
    On the topic of GNB... I just healed a GNB who only used two cooldowns aka Aurora and HoC, as a WHM. Entire dungeon: The Dead Ends. It also doesn't help the RPR in the party was constantly on 4th in enmity order, but at least that made the run sliiightly interesting.

    "Oh no I have to cast 2 less Holy III each pulls!!!"
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  9. #1809
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    Cheremia's Avatar
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    Character
    Awashio Sazanami
    World
    Balmung
    Main Class
    Bard Lv 100
    2 Smns from same homeworld
    2 Smns from same fc even
    2 Smns that didn use a singular summon, just standart attack

    friend asked why they weren't using summons, got told
    "You're not my supervisor!"
    ONE of them used Bahamut twice after that

    Both of them died together
    Both took forever to attack

    Is.... is this reportable
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  10. #1810
    Player Deveryn's Avatar
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    Deveryn Ev'liarsh
    World
    Excalibur
    Main Class
    Summoner Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Cheremia View Post
    2 Smns from same homeworld
    2 Smns from same fc even
    2 Smns that didn use a singular summon, just standart attack

    friend asked why they weren't using summons, got told
    "You're not my supervisor!"
    ONE of them used Bahamut twice after that

    Both of them died together
    Both took forever to attack

    Is.... is this reportable
    Yes. Lethargic gameplay is reportable.
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