Venue/club advertisements have become a massive nuisance

[PirateRyanG]

I have no idea what places you're visiting but having convos in say is pretty standard in the venues I've visited (granted I only go to lounges or cafes or non-club venues) and in the one I helped run for a few months a while back. I would think having public convos is the norm because if you're trying to roleplay as a person going to a club, do you text the person sitting next to you to have a conversation or do you just...talk to them publically?

Fair enough if it's more convenient but doesn't change the appearance of clubs being nothing but afk hubs and money funnels for owners if no one is publically talking while charging gil to do anything.

Could be a difference between NA and EU server culture, I guess.

I have only ever had full 'say' conversations in cafes with very few people in them. There is a nice on that I frequent that has around 2-3 people in at a time, plus a staff member. Say is fine there.

[Ishe-P]

I am very curious about this because the ad frequency does feel like it is increasing. So I hung around Limsa Lominsa Lower Decks on Diabolos for around 90 minutes to collect some data. Here are my results (Disclaimer: this does not use anything close to a scientific method).

- Over a 93 minute session, there were 14 /shouts for nightclubs or rp services. By contrast, there were 2 FC recruitment threads in the same time frame.
- Of the 14 announcements, 4 individual /shouts were repeated once right around the 1-hour mark from their last. 6 /shouts were wholly unique. From here repeats will not be used in the data, the end count being adjusted to 10. Some data sets overlap but this was selected to highlight some things I found interesting. I've also edited language down to accommodate the char limit.

- (5) /shouts came from someone whose home and venue servers match. (50%)
- (5) home and venue servers do not match. (50%)
- (1) home and venue servers did not match but were in the same DC. (10%)
- (1) at home advertising for a different DC altogether. (10%)
- (3) home and venue servers did not match and that were not part of this DC. (30%)

- (8) Nightclubs (80%)
- (1) for what appears to be a network of night clubs (10%)
- (1) for other services (10%)

- (5) advertise gambling directly. Disclosure: criteria used includes Gambling, Casinos, Raffles, and Giveaways in the messaging (50%)
- (4) did not advertise gambling
- (1) strongly implied gambling (10%)

- (3) contain direct twitch.tv links (30%)
- (4) may use twitch to support DJ services (40%)
- (3) did not advertise twitch links (30%)

- (5) contain Discord links, of these 3 have friendly names based on the venue. (50% / 30%)
- (1) contains a link to an external website. (10%)

What I find interesting is that Mateus and Balmung are considered the RP hotspots on Crystal (allegedly) but they did not get advertisements or advertisers at all. Also, shout spam dropped off big time during the last 30 minutes of the session. I suspect this is because of the Halloween holiday and the late hour. Nonetheless the average length of time between shouts in a single zone is about one advertisement every 7 minutes (generously I'd say one every 10). Also, I didn't really capture this but it may also be significant: this is all that the shout chat in the zone was being used for with the exception of two routine FC advertisements and a few clowns that clowned around for about 5 minutes.

[Lunalepsy]

Venues are a detriment to the scene, just like housing was back in the day.

[Illmaeran]

Or are the convos too private/nsfw based to have in say chat?

Those exist, yes. However, it's also considered good manners to use /tell /party to avoid blowing up peoples' chat logs with /say. All it takes is a couple of people in the same room using /say to wreak havoc on everyone else's chat. Imagine a space with 50 people all using /say at once; no conversations would be possible.


<edit to add thoughts after reading through the rest of the thread>
I run two venues, one that's small where we normally use /say when hanging out with a fair mix of visitors using private chat as well. If I'm having an actual RP session with someone I normally use private channels since they're color coded which makes it easier to keep track of it. At my larger one, a restaurant, I encourage people to use /tell or /party as it can get pretty full ending up the the scenario I described above. When there aren't many people visiting and/or it's a group of people who came in together and nobody else is there, I let them know /say's just fine until more people show up.

Generally, at small venues like cafes, apartment-sized bars, etc you'll get a greater number of people using /say since the number of visitors is typically low and people often want to just hang out and chat with folks.

[LianaThorne]

Those exist, yes. However, it's also considered good manners to use /tell /party to avoid blowing up peoples' chat windows with /say chat. All it takes is a couple of people in the same room using /say to wreak havoc on everyone else's chat. Imagine a space with 50 people all using /say at once; no conversations would be possible.

They are, have been in venues where that is a thing. Still able to keep up with conversations.
And again, the point is that if everyone is using party or tells and not engaging with other people publically then it looks like the place is just a bunch of people afking. That is my point. So no one can really blame anyone for calling it that when no one is actively talking in a way everyone can see or engaging with anyone outside of the person they're in tells with.

Make sense?

[Hafu]

Do you guys enjoy being obtuse? They said it was in South Shroud of all places that broke the camel's back for them. Those proliferate a lot in the main cities to the point it became a norm - but a mostly abandoned leveling area?

They never called it unplayable either.

That happened in South Shroud for him specifically because people congregate near the entrance to POTD even when not there for levelling, it's no coincidence these people are targeting that world zone in particular with their obnoxious ads.

Gil sellers have figured that same trick out too coincidentally, if you stand there for a while you'll see the same sort of messages as you get near main hub aetherytes in say chat.

[GeminiReed]

... the point is that if everyone is using party or tells and not engaging with other people publically then it looks like the place is just a bunch of people afking

Pretty much why me and several other friends bounced off XIV's RP scene hard when we got here.

They are, have been in venues where that is a thing. Still able to keep up with conversations.

You're lucky or whatever event you were at was on the smaller side. Anecdotally there were a couple reasons why we struggled.

The biggest offender is XIV's chat implementation which fought us every step of the way trying to follow conversations. If you're trying to scroll up to catch up with an earlier post it actively fights you and in many cases insists on jumping to the end. By itself this was just too frustrating for us to continue.

The other reason is that people in this community tend to write lengthy paragraphs where we're far more used to much shorter responses.

[Renalt]

Ok Imora...still think 2B Leggings is hot on men?


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[SaberMaxwell]

You really packed that monster in my friend, I'm impressed.

[Padudu]

Oh my god lmaooo the turn this thread has taken