Venue/club advertisements have become a massive nuisance

[Edelgarde]

You start out by saying you agree with me, then turn around and disagree with me on every point.
Don't play games with me. You've only made my position on this stronger.

Absolutely none in shout or PF. If people want to RP, they will hear about it from word of mouth. The people who RP will find out about them because they will likely be in RP discords.

I've agreed and disagreed to some of your points. Just pointing out why it's not too much of a big deal in the end and how you can maturely deal with the advertisers, especially the ones that choose to do it in the novice network. You stated that it ruins your experience with the game. Which is a bit over the top, since you're the one who's making it out to be a problem more than it actually is. It's annoying, yeah. Really annoying if you have no interest partaking any part in it. But it shouldn't ruin your experience if you choose to ignore it when it gets advertised at main city hubs. It's a community thing. Most people ignore it if they're not interested. The curious players (who are likely new to the game and have not explored that aspect of FFXIV yet), are likely going to go there and probably develop an interest in the RP scene.

You are such a little snowflake. It's rather amusing. So are people suppose to blindly agree with you without giving you a more broad perspective on the matter? And yet I get called manipulative when I disagree with the point of you wanting the developers to do something that could be absoolutely detrimental to the RP community. You go as far to say that you don't want them in your PF now, but do you know how hard that will be for a newcomer of RP who wants to partake in the activities? A huge majority of casual RPers do not rely on discord, they just like browsing the PF to start venue surfing. Oh, but you don't care about those players, you care more about yourself and want to push your selfish agendas among to others.

Although, I can guarantee you making a post about this is pointless, because nothing will be done about it in the end. They're not going to ban the advertisements. Which is why I informed you to not let the advertisements get to you, because your problem won't get fixed. You're lingering onto this issue that it is your fault that it's a bigger problem than you make it out to be. FFXIV is a very community driven game, so let it continue to strive in that biggest strength it has against other MMORPGs.

[DarmaniLink]

Although, I can guarantee you making a post about this is pointless, because nothing will be done about it in the end. They're not going to ban the advertisements. Which is why I informed you to not let the advertisements get to you, because your problem won't get fixed. You're lingering onto this issue that it is your fault that it's a bigger problem than you make it out to be. FFXIV is a very community driven game, so let it continue to strive in that biggest strength it has against other MMORPGs.

My last few posts didn't go through so I'll just leave it at a series of bullet points.

There is roleplay outside of venues.
There are many venues that are not roleplay.
The community is not only venues.
The venues are not the entire community.
Most people in the venues just order 100k gil drinks then afk /beesknees.
No ads does not mean no venues.

The people you are championing have nothing to do with this.
The "roleplayers" are standing around in cities doing murder mysteries and stuff.
The new players see those and try to join in.

Venues aren't roleplay. They're just second life clubs.

When its being spammed constantly, its hard to ignore.
"Just ignore the ads lol"
Yeah, so many people found that as a solution that half the internet uses adblock now.
You've resulted to personal attacks, therefore you lost.
You have a conflict of interest.
I give you the same weight as I give apple when they justify why removing the headphone jack doesn't just save them money on ICs.

You got called manipulative because you're being very clearly manipulative.
You're effectively a corporation with a vested interest trying to justify why you should be allowed to annoy everyone uninterested for the few that are.

Saying "I do not want ads in a party finder" is not going far.
That's common sense.

[AstreMcClain]

You got called manipulative because you're being very clearly manipulative.

She gave you an alternate viewpoint from the owner of a venue, she agreed to some of your points- Calling her manipulative is manipulative of you to paint her as the bad guy when there wasn't any bad guy at the start. As far as Dichotomy is concerned- You can RP at a venue, so she wasn't trying to compare something like apples to carrots. I don't care much for people trying to incorporate ethos pathos and logos into conversations to try and gain an upper hand and sway an audience, but criminalizing someone just because you don't like the response someone gave you isn't the way to go about it in public. As for me, I don't RP. I try, I want to- but it's just not for me. The Most 'RP'ing I will ever do is probably my bio page on here to be incredibly honest and like she said:

The curious players (who are likely new to the game and have not explored that aspect of FFXIV yet), are likely going to go there and probably develop an interest in the RP scene.

I was too, but there wasn't a flood of annoying shouts back when I tried. Yes, I hate them too simply because they oversaturate my chat with orange lengthy word walls. I tried going with some ex-FC mates and I found it wasn't for me, however stating that it should be outright removed in every form isn't the way to go either I didn't even know venues existed until mates showed me and prior to last year, I never touched the other tab in PF because all I thought about was simply Roulettes all the time. As far as out in the public, not everyone is willing or comfortable with doing it in a visual of an open area like a desert where anyone and everyone can see what they type. Yes there are things like Linkshells and parties that people can do to limit who all can see but the majority of new players have the mindset of "Oh... Everyone will think I'm cringe if I start openly RP." and so places like venues where they're RP safe places are good.

And if you're like me when I started you wouldn't have heard by word of mouth because I didn't have many friends starting out. So no, just because they can get information via word of mouth doesn't mean they will get the business.

As far as Gil transactions are concerned. Those are OPTIONAL much akin to the cash shop or a Fast food place. You don't need to go into these places and buy anything (though much like a business, they care more about if you are comfortable and willing to buy something- You wouldn't go to a -INSERT GENERIC RIPOFF NAME HERE- if a McDonald's was right down the road, would you?), it's part of the RP Experience if that Venues want to charge services. There are also plenty of places that are just hangouts.

[DarmaniLink]

She gave you an alternate viewpoint from the owner of a venue, she agreed to some of your points- Calling her manipulative is manipulative of you to paint her as the bad guy when there wasn't any bad guy at the start. As far as Dichotomy is concerned- You can RP at a venue, so she wasn't trying to compare something like apples to carrots. I don't care much for people trying to incorporate ethos pathos and logos into conversations to try and gain an upper hand and sway an audience, but criminalizing someone just because you don't like the response someone gave you isn't the way to go about it in public. As for me, I don't RP. I try, I want to- but it's just not for me. The Most 'RP'ing I will ever do is probably my bio page on here to be incredibly honest and like she said:



I was too, but there wasn't a flood of annoying shouts back when I tried. Yes, I hate them too simply because they oversaturate my chat with orange lengthy word walls. I tried going with some ex-FC mates and I found it wasn't for me, however stating that it should be outright removed in every form isn't the way to go either I didn't even know venues existed until mates showed me and prior to last year, I never touched the other tab in PF because all I thought about was simply Roulettes all the time. As far as out in the public, not everyone is willing or comfortable with doing it in a visual of an open area like a desert where anyone and everyone can see what they type. Yes there are things like Linkshells and parties that people can do to limit who all can see but the majority of new players have the mindset of "Oh... Everyone will think I'm cringe if I start openly RP." and so places like venues where they're RP safe places are good.

And if you're like me when I started you wouldn't have heard by word of mouth because I didn't have many friends starting out. So no, just because they can get information via word of mouth doesn't mean they will get the business.

As far as Gil transactions are concerned. Those are OPTIONAL much akin to the cash shop or a Fast food place. You don't need to go into these places and buy anything (though much like a business, they care more about if you are comfortable and willing to buy something- You wouldn't go to a -INSERT GENERIC RIPOFF NAME HERE- if a McDonald's was right down the road, would you?), it's part of the RP Experience if that Venues want to charge services. There are also plenty of places that are just hangouts.

The "I agree with you" then disagree with you on every point is the oldest trick in the book.
The misdirection, strawmans, weasel words, "won't someone think of the new players"

Its all the same manipulative tricks companies use to influence legislators not to regulate them.

As she said, "It's basic psychology"