We anticipate that even with this update, third parties will continue

[XaarKrey]

..which is?

Given the size of this issue, what would you recommend?

One idea: Allow the recipient to reject the gift. They can do so if they already have that mount/minion/emote. This would also give a quick solution if someone got a suspicious gift in the mail they didn't expect (as squeenix claims happens)

The only reason they turned off 1-time items is because someone could be stuck with a duplicate gift they already own.

This would be a significant improvement/addition to the current system.

They could either automatically refund the payment directly when rejected, OR refund the amount spent in crysta to the purchaser to prevent from unnecessary cash flow issues.

[deebug96]

My guess is the ones they sectioned off are the ones they're getting the most chargebacks over. I can't really comment on definites as I don't have access to sales over the period of time all of the chargebacks were happening.

Also that would fall in line with what you're saying that other expensive items are left alone. If people aren't buying them in general in mass quantities then there's less risk letting them sit there. People aren't just going to start buying tons of retainer stuff now just because of all of this when they were going to resellers for mounts or minions or emotes.

Retainers I understand aren't a popular item, but Fantasias are. I know people that change race and gender every other day or so.

[deebug96]

One idea: Allow the recipient to reject the gift. They can do so if they already have that mount/minion/emote. This would also give a quick solution if someone got a suspicious gift in the mail they didn't expect (as squeenix claims happens)

The only reason they turned off 1-time items is because someone could be stuck with a duplicate gift they already own.

This would be a significant improvement/addition to the current system.

And someone could gift me the Songbird outfit and it would be a duplicate item I already own.
Or a story boost through Shadowbringers which I have completed all of main story
Or a class boost to 80 which all my classes are maxed out.

Plus all mounts and minions owned show the on the players Lodestone along with Class levels. Outfits do not and story progression only shows if you have Achievements enabled and know what achievements go to the the current story.

[XaarKrey]

And someone could gift me the Songbird outfit and it would be a duplicate item I already own.

And this would give you the option to reject the gift so your friend didnt waste their money. /shrug

[Vrankyl]

My guess is the ones they sectioned off are the ones they're getting the most chargebacks over. I can't really comment on definites as I don't have access to sales over the period of time all of the chargebacks were happening.

Also that would fall in line with what you're saying that other expensive items are left alone. If people aren't buying them in general in mass quantities then there's less risk letting them sit there. People aren't just going to start buying tons of retainer stuff now just because of all of this when they were going to resellers for mounts or minions or emotes.

This is incorrect. They stated specifically in their own announcement that these items cannot be gifted due to them being one time use items to prevent gifting people things they already own. Which is counter productive when you can still gift job boosts and story skips which are one time use items, and provide actual in game gil. That's not even touching the fact that clothing items are also things that people could already have, meanwhile the SE Online Store already has access to our lodestones as they do a character verification through the lodestone to ensure it is being sent to the right character. Seeing as how mounts and minions are viewable through the lodestone it seems a bit odd that they can't just add that verification step.

[Katt_Felista]

Oh no the nightclubs hanger ons scamers and gamblers and their rmt gil resellers will have a hard time doing their giveaways to promote their stream bullshit and dripple feed their discord basement dwellers slave labourer ! Color me sadened ! They also have started asking their dancers and "hirees" to ask for real money for their erp / dances/ services instead of gils !

It's a side effect, but don't get me wrong, i am not really happy about this, because what really irks me with this decision is not even the fact u can't gift as easily items as before, nonono, it's that it will throw all these rmt profiteers and gil resellers into the only last bastion of rmt trolling and griefing existing in the game from now on, Savage / end game content. As if it wasn't already insufferable with all the NA trolls and mythic key destroyers from wow, piling on the EU pfs to purposefully make them bad/ impossible.

[Azuri]

..which is?

Given the size of this issue, what would you recommend?

Remove all saved payment methods and ask players to enter them again. Done.

Wasn't so hard now, was it?

[DPZ2]

Remove all saved payment methods and ask players to enter them again. Done.

Wasn't so hard now, was it?

From my experience, the Mog store does not use saved payment methods. At least I've had to enter my credit card information every time I make a purchase. That's on the NA store, so it may be different elsewhere.

[Azuri]

From my experience, the Mog store does not use saved payment methods. At least I've had to enter my credit card information every time I make a purchase. That's on the NA store, so it may be different elsewhere.

Ah, so that whole twitter thing is complete armchair economist and SE absolutely had a different way out? Who would have thought...

[deebug96]

This is incorrect. They stated specifically in their own announcement that these items cannot be gifted due to them being one time use items to prevent gifting people things they already own. Which is counter productive when you can still gift job boosts and story skips which are one time use items, and provide actual in game gil. That's not even touching the fact that clothing items are also things that people could already have, meanwhile the SE Online Store already has access to our lodestones as they do a character verification through the lodestone to ensure it is being sent to the right character. Seeing as how mounts and minions are viewable through the lodestone it seems a bit odd that they can't just add that verification step.

Thank you! Thank you! They already have every means to verify and since you can gift other one time use items, their model doesn't make sense. It's not based on mounts being most expensive as the most expensive thing in the Online Store isn't even a mount. The way they have done it makes no sense what so ever.