We anticipate that even with this update, third parties will continue

[VelKallor]

Friend, codes no longer exist. This thread is not about the lack of codes, they're gone, dead, never coming back— its the fact that they have put such heavy restrictions on players gifting one another items with the new system. Claiming it's because they can't track if a player already owns a "one-time use" item, when most of the items on the Mogstation are, in fact, one time use. We all saw the friend requirement coming from several miles away, but outright barring the gifting of mounts and minions is definitely taking it a step too fa

See above.

My guess is that part will be temporary, but the reasons for this process are as above. I counsel patience.

[Jojoya]

They could also choose to gift non-cash-shop items, in which case prizes could still be given on the night.

Very true. I'm sure there are those that would be very happy to have a chance at a Night Pegasus Whistle.

For ages you lot have been arguing for SE to do something about RMT. Okay, thats good, so far, so hoopy.

Then they do something.

And you still complain.

Because people assume that SE "doesn't do anything" because "they're lazy" and not because they're trying to find ways to block RMT that won't disrupt the game experience of normal players.

Well, disaster struck and now they're forced to disrupt the game experience to start getting the damage repaired. Now they can see it's not as easy as they thought (though no doubt some will still deny that).

Yep, this as well. It's not "well it won't work but we're doing it anyway lol" it's "most will get scared off from doing extra illegal things, but there's always going to be the really aggressive RMT sellers who will inevitably find a way around this, but it'll take some time for that to happen" much like any botting that happens - while it's frustrating that a chunk of botters go unpunished, there's plenty who do and they use programs to do it. Those get reworked once they figure out how SE broke their last program, but it takes some time for it to happen before they're back in business and we're back to square (heh) one in the devs figuring out how the program works to shut it down again.

And none of it would be happening if there weren't players more interested in giving money to scammers than giving it to SE.

When that scam was getting shouted around the city states, I was shocked that they would try such an obvious ploy. No one is going to give a player those codes at a loss. Yet I also knew that there would be players that would fall for it. I just had no idea there would be as many as apparently did.

[VelKallor]

Well, disaster struck and now they're forced to disrupt the game experience to start getting the damage repaired. Now they can see it's not as easy as they thought (though no doubt some will still deny that).

If they can see past their own interests, you mean. That part about chargebacks is sooo true, banks HATE them.

[NekoMataMata]

Serious question, but haven't they banned people before for receiving gifts from friends that were paid for with stolen credit cards where the payment was discovered by the original owner of the card, disputed and bounced the charge?

[VelKallor]

Serious question, but haven't they banned people before for receiving gifts from friends that were paid for with stolen credit cards where the payment was discovered by the original owner of the card, disputed and bounced the charge?

Yes they have, but right now someone or a group of someones is having a serious case of "Lets see just how much we can steal", there have been as SERIES of ID theft hacks recently, and until SE can get a handle on the issue and stop the slew of chargebacks that are getting the processors seriously mad at their clients, there has to be a slam stop, this has to be the only solution.

For now.

You dont like it, I dont like it, they sure as hell dont like it, but until the matter can be handled long term with some degree of success, this will have to do for now.

This decision had to have come from much MUCH higher in the food chain.

For now, we wait.

[NekoMataMata]

Yes they have, but right now someone or a group of someones is having a serious case of "Lets see just how much we can steal", there have been as SERIES of ID theft hacks recently, and until SE can get a handle on the issue and stop the slew of chargebacks that are getting the processors seriously mad at their clients, there has to be a slam stop, this has to be the only solution.

For now.

Right and I get that. SE can't do business if the chargebacks get super bad because they won't be able to receive payments. Banks will blacklist them.

[Jojoya]

Serious question, but haven't they banned people before for receiving gifts from friends that were paid for with stolen credit cards where the payment was discovered by the original owner of the card, disputed and bounced the charge?

Based on the wording in the announcement, it sounds like "No". They apparently just remove the fraudulently purchased item from the player's account and leave it at that. Quite honestly, in those cases it's better than the recipient not be banned. They may have been totally innocent, thinking it a genuine gift purchased honestly.

Likely they would have banned the player that made the actual purchase, though.

[Lustre]

It doesn't matter what SE does or doesn't do, the same old(new) faces will find a justification for it. If they wanna shoot their profits in the foot that's fine by me. I don't like the mogstation anyway. I think the reaction is a bit feverish and I personally dont really care, then again we have a lot of whales in this game so I guess they'd care. I do think it shows SE as hypocrites though when they're willing to do things like this, when people are getting harrassed and stalked in game, people openly flouting ToS on the forums, people leaving their computers on for months at a time to bot bunny farms, that's all AOK. The selective enforcement leaves a bad taste in my mouth. Reminds me of when one kid in the class is messing around and everyone gets punished. Although I guess the XIV community is used to being treated like children so makes sense lol

[Eorzean_username]

I have multiple friends that I regularly gift emotes, mounts, minions, etc. as they go along the MSQ, for holidays or celebrations, etc.

So add me to the pile of people who are:

• Hostile to these inane restrictions

• Once again unimpressed with SE's clumsy inability to handle almost anything gracefully

• Not moved by one person rambling on Twitter as justification that this was such an earth-shattering emergency that a less restrictive solution couldn't have been found

[VelKallor]

• Not moved by one person rambling on Twitter as justification that this was such an earth-shattering emergency that a less restrictive solution couldn't have been found

..which is?

Given the size of this issue, what would you recommend?