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  1. #1781
    Player
    Skivvy's Avatar
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    Boo Box
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    Rafflesia
    Main Class
    Sage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Cincierta View Post
    Apparently I'm at fault for daring to go inside the belly with a good chunk of my party plus my co-healer while in Alliance B for WoD, like we normally do.

    How dare I, as a healer, go inside the belly when our war tank decided to stay outside because he wanted to be THE tank for the entire run.
    How dare I, as a healer, prioritize making sure we don't wipe over keeping watch over a single war tank that died due to not getting heals from other healers, or being the smart one and passing on aggro to another tank when he saw our UI go grey. I have seen 7 stacks before, it's not pretty.
    How dare I, as a healer, entrust good judgement and good faith into the other alliance's healers to babysit our full mentor war tank that has been IMMEDIATELY yeeting the bosses the second he enters the arena instead of waiting for people to get there.
    How dare I, as a healer, benediction another alliance's tank because their healers were just being green dps and would immediately eat floor while Cerberus builds up his stacks again and starts to eat people.
    How dare I, as a healer, make the full mentor war seethe in anger and envy over not being constantly cared for.
    HOW. DARE. I.

    It isn't the end of the world, fellow war. Perhaps turning off stance and letting another tank take aggro would be the wiser idea over getting upset at your own healers for going into the belly with a good chunk of your own party to do the mechanics.
    Or, hear me out, if your tank has been MTing the entire dungeon and is still continuing to do so when you get to Cerb, you could stay out with him as his healer. Just because you were B doesnt mean you ABSOLUTELY HAVE TO ENTER THE BELLY. The other alliance people should be going into the belly as well, so there should be plenty of DPS already, the MT's healer isn't also needed. And as for instantly yeeting bosses? Well, it's a level 50 raid, and that's pretty normal.

    I can imagine a post like this from the tank's perspective...

    How dare I, as a tank in alliance B, have to become main tank because my co-tanks refused to put on stance (just one possibility why the 'full-mentor' tank may have felt the need to MT. Maybe they just wanted to. WHO KNOWS, doesn't overly matter - but he was MT)
    How dare I, as MT, expect my healers to prioritize healing me whilst I tank bosses instead of doing side-mechanics that others can easily handle.
    How dare I, as MT, expect my healers to not pass off their healing duties onto the other alliance healers who seemingly keep dying to things.
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    Last edited by Skivvy; 10-27-2022 at 02:49 AM. Reason: grammar @.@

  2. #1782
    Player
    Avatre's Avatar
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    Avatre Drakone
    World
    Cactuar
    Main Class
    Dancer Lv 100
    Been a while since I ran into a dancer that needs to be prompter to choose a dance partner...RNGesus decided I needed to be visited by two of them yesterday.

    Doing 90 roulette, get Smileton and the DNC gets prompted after first pull to choose a partner, and they do right away.

    Doing 50-80 get Skala, and the DNC didn't choose a partner until the very end. Like pretty much last pull(not sure when it was actually put on, just that I know I didn't have any Standard Step buff until around the final boss fight).

    Though last night seemed to be a good night for dancing. Every roulette I ran(all that give Astro other than Frontline and MSQ) there was a DNC that partnered me(was RPR all night).
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  3. #1783
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    ronibosch's Avatar
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    Kukuru Dei-ijla
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    Behemoth
    Main Class
    Warrior Lv 90
    Experienced a player from another alliance say "Stop being stupid and turn the boss away from the group" to a sprout tank in WoD. The sprout remained quiet, but they turned the boss away a little after the rude outburst.
    If you ever see this, random sprout tank, please don't feel discouraged. That person was unnecessarily ill-mannered and childish.
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  4. #1784
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    Kansene's Avatar
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    Rajeko Thunderbright
    World
    Lich
    Main Class
    Scholar Lv 98
    Quote Originally Posted by ronibosch View Post
    Experienced a player from another alliance say "Stop being stupid and turn the boss away from the group" to a sprout tank in WoD. The sprout remained quiet, but they turned the boss away a little after the rude outburst.
    If you ever see this, random sprout tank, please don't feel discouraged. That person was unnecessarily ill-mannered and childish.
    This sort of stuff is just really sad. One would think a person could start off with something other than insults when they spot a mistake.
    I hope the sprout still had a good day despite them
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  5. #1785
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    PirateRyanG's Avatar
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    Aserana Swian
    World
    Odin
    Main Class
    Conjurer Lv 90
    Had an issue with a mentor.

    For some reason my tab targeting stopped working. I think it happened as I switched to windowed full screen. Idk.

    I couldn't target quickly anyway, which was causing me issues switching from healing to DPS, so I thought I would mention it to the group. That way they would know why I wasn't having 100% uptime on the DOT.

    Mentor popped up

    'ffs. Listen. I'm a mentor. Not IT support'

    I wasn't even asking for help. But that interaction soured me on the game for the rest of the night.

    Nobody died in the dungeon. I was just finding it hard to target the boss.
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  6. #1786
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    Cincierta's Avatar
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    Gridania
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    Character
    Alaha Vellonnu
    World
    Lamia
    Main Class
    White Mage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Skivvy View Post
    I can imagine a post like this from the tank's perspective...
    Perhaps I should have stayed outside and babysat him because it's clear I can no longer trust random people to do their jobs. His nasty salt in party chat was unnecessary and I was severely tempted to just spam Cure 1.

    It was also evident that the other tanks were trying to pull aggro off of him for the entire run, perhaps from voke wars, perhaps from wanting to try their hands at main tanking, I don't know. I heard a lot of them go off that run.

    I also wanted to point out that we also had new people trying to clear WoD and explanations on mechanics to prevent people from dying would have been extremely helpful (half the raid literally died to Angry Mango's Doom, 1/4th died to Dragon and don't get me started on Doggie.) However the tank's salt made me salty because apparently the trend now is that any tank I get in DF as a healer will:

    1. Never use cooldowns/stance until reminded. Typically I'm greeted with 'I have been' when they're really not.
    2. Bite my head off if I don't keep them at 100%. Last one I just got out of a 4-man for said things I literally cannot repeat here.
    3. Give absolutely godawful advice because their 'main' is a healer. I've had 3 tell me to just spam cure and nothing else. Gee, that Holy spam doesn't seem to count as mitigation for them. Neither does the rest of my 90 kit apparently.
    4. Blame the healer (me) for letting them die because they stood in bad/didn't mitigate that tankbuster when they had eaten vuln stacks. Watched one stand in 4 aoes, die, and screech at me because I didn't spam heals. Eating 4 aoes in 90 content is instant-death, although that Venn-Diagram on that one tank is still hilarious and sad to watch happen.

    But no, how dare I, as a healer, try to help the party/raid out by making the dungeon go a bit faster and prevent a wipe and put trust in other people in an MMO. Yes, I'm still salty about that tank getting salty at both of us for that.

    I'm reminded of the tanks and party members I've had in Bozja because they didn't bother to do mechanics. Maybe one day I'll post those chatlogs.
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    This one is beyond your help. Only sleep can save her now.

  7. #1787
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    VictorSpoils's Avatar
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    Victor Spoils
    World
    Coeurl
    Main Class
    Blue Mage Lv 80
    Decided to solo Excitatron, made it to the end and got a third feather, and finally saw a music roll drop. Not too bad.
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  8. #1788
    Player Midareyukki's Avatar
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    Bozja
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    Character
    Harun Asubra
    World
    Zodiark
    Main Class
    Warrior Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Cincierta View Post
    1. Never use cooldowns/stance until reminded. Typically I'm greeted with 'I have been' when they're really not.
    2. Bite my head off if I don't keep them at 100%. Last one I just got out of a 4-man for said things I literally cannot repeat here.
    3. Give absolutely godawful advice because their 'main' is a healer. I've had 3 tell me to just spam cure and nothing else. Gee, that Holy spam doesn't seem to count as mitigation for them. Neither does the rest of my 90 kit apparently.
    4. Blame the healer (me) for letting them die because they stood in bad/didn't mitigate that tankbuster when they had eaten vuln stacks. Watched one stand in 4 aoes, die, and screech at me because I didn't spam heals. Eating 4 aoes in 90 content is instant-death, although that Venn-Diagram on that one tank is still hilarious and sad to watch happen.
    I wonder if tanks are aware that as healers our eyes are fixed on their health and buff bars more often than they themselves are?

    Also I have the opposite experience as a tank. I have to tell healers to use more of their kit than just Cure\Benefic\Physick\Prognosis. And I get hit with "I know what I'm doing, I main healer". No honey. You play healer often, you do not main it. Had you mained it, you'd know that the button that says "Healing potency increases the lower the target's HP is, max 30%" exists. You'd know your fairy is more than just summoning it and forgetting she's there. For example.

    Some people aren't just tunnel-visioning, they're just straight-up blind.
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  9. #1789
    Player
    ronibosch's Avatar
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    Kukuru Dei-ijla
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    Behemoth
    Main Class
    Warrior Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Kansene View Post
    This sort of stuff is just really sad. One would think a person could start off with something other than insults when they spot a mistake.
    I hope the sprout still had a good day despite them
    I hope so, too. I just don't understand why someone would think reacting in such a way is justified. As the old adage goes: "If you have nothing nice to say, say nothing at all."
    (That's not to say giving advice or offering critique is bad, of course!)
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  10. #1790
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    Jodhi's Avatar
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    Character
    Jodhi Greywyr
    World
    Jenova
    Main Class
    Blacksmith Lv 90
    Decided to do lv90 Roulette as Healer and I got The Dead Ends
    I got paired with WAR, MCH and BLM, I was WHM. The first set of mob pull feels a lot slower than I usually be when I ran with randoms
    I have terribly anxiety and always think I wasn't doing enough on a given role, but let's press on to first boss.
    I've seen the BLM couldn't catch up the DPS with me --a Healer, then I began to think if I overhealed. I checked the BLM's gear after the first boss,
    "That is a fine set of Rinascita and Lunar Envoy, I might be overhealing" I said on my mind.

    My conscience tells me to focus target the BLM just to see what they are doing, and then I found the horror.
    I'm not gonna say that I understand BLM than your average BLM players, it's the least class I would ever click despite being capped.
    but I doubt that it's right to spam Blizzard skills when your mp is full.. right?
    So what I've seen, the rotation of that BLM was sort of funny on bosses (they did exactly the same rotation on Boss 2 and 3, so I assume the same goes for Boss 1)
    Blizzard III > Blizzard IV > Freeze > High Blizzard II, then Foul whenever they got Polyglot. Their MP was intact on full, never went lower than 90%

    "Where is the Fire skill? The thunder? And why are you going out of your Leyline when there's no AoE in it?"
    I managed to keep them alive however, despite how they entered red carpet way too often for my liking.
    That being said, the run takes probably around seven minutes longer than I usually had. An ice mage, if I ever see one, that's the person...
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