Getting your health chunked / killed while Guard is up is the worst feeling.

[Llynethil]

And yet it's a less viable job then dragoon, which has no hard cc at all and is probably one of the best balanced job honestly, funny that.

It's not about having 1 good ability, it's how the entire kit works together.

Bard is a team job, it has below average damage for a dps, its basic attack even slows them down when they have no instants up and has 0 survivability by itself, you can bumrush a bard real easy and nuke it down, but that's offset by the ability to be a job that sets up kills very well for the team to take advantage off, not take them out themselves.

They need their silence for this, it's their ace in the hold to lock down a target if you take that away you'd have to massively increase all their damage to compensate and then you just get yet another boring dps focused ranged job.

Not to mention, every single melee job and caster job has higher winrates than every ranged job right now, so there's 0 reason to nerf ranged jobs as is.

[Ransu]

BRD would literally be trash without their silence...They are barely viable as it is and they absolutely do not have solid damage as they are entirely reliant on the team. They have an "ok" burst phase that's only viable BECAUSE of silent. Locking you out of being able to use CD's and forcing you to burn purify is the entire point of CC. Learn how to pvp.

[Towa-Musa]

BRD would literally be trash without their silence...They are barely viable as it is and they absolutely do not have solid damage as they are entirely reliant on the team. They have an "ok" burst phase that's only viable BECAUSE of silent. Locking you out of being able to use CD's and forcing you to burn purify is the entire point of CC. Learn how to pvp.

Good lord dude, sure you have a point but don't be rude about it.

But you also cannot deny that there needs to be diminishing returns on CC, being CCed repeatedly by 24 or 8 people is freaking annoying and no amount of purify will actually help you in that case.

[Ransu]

Good lord dude, sure you have a point but don't be rude about it.

But you also cannot deny that there needs to be diminishing returns on CC, being CCed repeatedly by 24 or 8 people is freaking annoying and no amount of purify will actually help you in that case.

DR isn't going to save you from a zerg of players since you're going to be dead before it matters anyways. I also just don't care about frontlines at all. Its barely pvp.

[Karasio]

BRD would literally be trash without their silence...They are barely viable as it is and they absolutely do not have solid damage as they are entirely reliant on the team. They have an "ok" burst phase that's only viable BECAUSE of silent. Locking you out of being able to use CD's and forcing you to burn purify is the entire point of CC. Learn how to pvp.

Big issue I have with bard is the lack of a proper visual cue for silence. Other CC effects are very visible and audible, namely stun. But silence just sorta happens. Annoying. Also hate how it just locks you out of doing ANYTHING. No OGCDs, nothing. Side note, doesn't bard have a bind as well?

Anyways, diminishing returns would be a very welcome addition since some braniac on the balance team thought it would be a good idea to have almost every fucking job have some form of CC, and god knows their netcode isn't good enough for purify to help in any meaningful way. Gut at least half the hard CC from PvP and let the support jobs really stand out, give them an actual purpose other jobs can't fill but way better lmao. Cause like, why would you ever play bard when you can play red mage? You get the same silence, but also a much more impactful LB, stronger kit, etc etc.

[Towa-Musa]

DR isn't going to save you from a zerg of players since you're going to be dead before it matters anyways. I also just don't care about frontlines at all. Its barely pvp.

Its gonna make it alot harder for them to keep you pinned with the sheer amount of people stunning you, Diminishing returns will at least give you a slim chance instead of a "Welp guess ill just tab out while my character gets defeat RPed by 24 people." also if you don't care about frontlines, why are you even in this thread?

[Llynethil]

Big issue I have with bard is the lack of a proper visual cue for silence. Other CC effects are very visible and audible, namely stun. But silence just sorta happens. Annoying. Also hate how it just locks you out of doing ANYTHING. No OGCDs, nothing. Side note, doesn't bard have a bind as well?

Silence has a big lightning bolt kind of visual which strikes you from above when you get hit, it's very easy to spot it.

The bind is tied to the escape, which means if you cleanse it you can nuke the bard easily because no survivability or mobility anymore after using it.

[Karasio]

Silence has a big lightning bolt kind of visual which strikes you from above when you get hit, it's very easy to spot it.

The bind is tied to the escape, which means if you cleanse it you can nuke the bard easily because no survivability or mobility anymore after using it.

Must be a skill issue. I don't look at my character that much when I do pvp but that's fair. Still wish it had some kind of audio cue as well, but also isn't the lightning bolt tied to the skill itself? Red mage's silence doesn't have that same visual IIRC

[Ransu]

Big issue I have with bard is the lack of a proper visual cue for silence. Other CC effects are very visible and audible, namely stun. But silence just sorta happens. Annoying. Also hate how it just locks you out of doing ANYTHING. No OGCDs, nothing. Side note, doesn't bard have a bind as well?

Anyways, diminishing returns would be a very welcome addition since some braniac on the balance team thought it would be a good idea to have almost every fucking job have some form of CC, and god knows their netcode isn't good enough for purify to help in any meaningful way. Gut at least half the hard CC from PvP and let the support jobs really stand out, give them an actual purpose other jobs can't fill but way better lmao. Cause like, why would you ever play bard when you can play red mage? You get the same silence, but also a much more impactful LB, stronger kit, etc etc.

BRD's silence is a giant bright purple spinning cloud with a pretty noticeable silence sound effect. Not sure how you could miss it and brds bind is repelling shot which requires you to be in melee range.



I'm not against the idea of DR btw. I was just making a sly comment that if a zerg is jumping you DR isn't going to save you. Frontlines is kind of a joke and I rarely have more than 1 death and that death will usually be me not paying attention and not backing off so I just get dunked on by the zerg.

Its gonna make it alot harder for them to keep you pinned with the sheer amount of people stunning you, Diminishing returns will at least give you a slim chance instead of a "Welp guess ill just tab out while my character gets defeat RPed by 24 people." also if you don't care about frontlines, why are you even in this thread?

A chance from what? If you're getting jumped by 8+ players you're dead unless you're playing ninja.

[Towa-Musa]

BRD's silence is a giant bright purple spinning cloud with a pretty noticeable silence sound effect. Not sure how you could miss it and brds bind is repelling shot which requires you to be in melee range.



I'm not against the idea of DR btw. I was just making a sly comment that if a zerg is jumping you DR isn't going to save you. Frontlines is kind of a joke and I rarely have more than 1 death and that death will usually be me not paying attention and not backing off so I just get dunked on by the zerg.



A chance from what? If you're getting jumped by 8+ players you're dead unless you're playing ninja.

lmao you obviously don't know how to use dragoons kit, maybe you should learn how to pvp instead?