Poor Savage reward system

[Katt_Felista]

You shouldn't loose your previous chests if you decide to enter in a higher tier of said raid and clear 3rd or 4th boss before the early ones.

I never got either the need to reduce the number of chests to 1 if one or more player has already cleared the boss, ever since it was introduced, wouldn't it be just similar to 2 / 3 people coming in and passing on the 2 chest for their friends anyway as they can't loot a 2nd time ? Why penalizing the greater number when the penalty is already to not being able to loot ? Or make a system as if the 2 / 3 people had a "fake" random generated roll on these chests/ items, but allow for the 2 chests to be there, even if dummy rolls are generated for the players that cleared.

Make it so chests are only "locked" on disciplines / jobs, when u switch roles, make the 2 chests available again for a dps, tank, or heal role you switch on, while removing them for other trinity roles u already cleared with. Or at least allow for getting a book after a reclear on theses. It also means that you have new chests locked for dps, heal, and tank jobs / roles with a padlock icon with a sword on it, a + heal on it, or a shield for tank on them, making it clear what roles they are for (when you looted / cleared the raid with that specific Trinity class (tank/heal or dps) )

Number of tomes for accessories is ridiculous, and chest / weapons are in the same ballpark. move numbers of tomes for accessories to 2, an chest / weapons to 6, plus, if you decide to move the savage raid launch one week later, u could make some compromises on how loot distribution is handled as stated above.

[Absurdity]

I'll take anything at this point tbh. This is what, week 8? of no accessories and no upgrade items, god I love having to buy everything with books.

This is beating a dead horse at this point but the savage loot system is atrocious in party finder.

[FireMage]

I'll take anything at this point tbh. This is what, week 8? of no accessories and no upgrade items, god I love having to buy everything with books.

This is beating a dead horse at this point but the savage loot system is atrocious in party finder.

It's like it's designed for statics or something

[Floortank]

I will almost guarantee you the reason it's set up this way is to prevent people cheesing gear drops. Yes, it feels terrible in party finder when you lose that roll and, whup, nothing for you this week... but the alternative basically would make statics wildly overpowered.

If, for instance, you could go in as many times as you wanted and roll on things until you won something, then you would absolutely have a group where they go "okay, we'll run the first fight, everyone pass on the gear and let <X> win everything." Then they'd run it again, and everyone would pass and let <Y> win everything. And then they'd run it again and everyone would pass and let <Z> win everything, and so on, until everyone had gotten the absolute maximum amount of gear possible from every fight in the tier.

This would not work under any circumstance in the idea posed by the guy you're replying to. You'd be guaranteed one drop a week in his idea still. Everyone would. No one would have to wait. You imagined yourself an idea that is obviously a bad idea.

[Alpheus]

I still think the solution is as I mentioned earlier in this thread: Gear can stay restriction early on, but as weeks go by, I think the tomestone limit should increase, and book costs can go down the more you purchase to make it so that gearing the first time has a steeper entry, but catching up in your gear becomes much faster the closer you get to the next patch.

Can even tie the reduction in books to a temporary Key Item (think of it as like a half off coupon* valid for the week you earned it, but only have these temp KI coupons start dropping on week 8/9 or however long after the race/tier being relevant) you obtain from doing the fights for that week since I'm sure one of the issues the Devs want to avoid is people just hoarding their books for a hypothetical .5 patch reduction in book costs**.

* Obviously the coupon wont be valid for weapons but for the smaller items like accessories and hands/head/feet slots. Can even have these eventually opened up to be applied to weapons once the tier is obsoleted by the next tier/next x.0 launch whichever is sooner.
** This will insure that the drops from the first 8 weeks are actively being used and not hoarded so that the overall potential gear level increases of the DCs are being utilized.

[Absurdity]

It's like it's designed for statics or something

Comparing it to the old loot system which simply dropped an item for a random job it is quite obvious that this system is designed for statics and for those it's great, nothing goes to waste. Doesn't make the PF experience any less awful when people in BiS gear roll need on everything for their 3rd alt job while you sit there in your ilvl 610 garbage and wonder how many more weeks you need to buy anything with pity tokens.

[FireMage]

Comparing it to the old loot system which simply dropped an item for a random job it is quite obvious that this system is designed for statics and for those it's great, nothing goes to waste. Doesn't make the PF experience any less awful when people in BiS gear roll need on everything for their 3rd alt job while you sit there in your ilvl 610 garbage and wonder how many more weeks you need to buy anything with pity tokens.

Then stop PFing

[Absimiliard]

Man, it's almost like the vast majority of raiders progress via PF instead of having a static or something. Funny how that works.

[KageTokage]

There really is no reason to keep the loot system so restrictive as far as the numbers of books needed goes, because the hardcore players are always going to get it done before the book loot is even a factor, so having the loot be more accessible just eases things for the less dedicated and/or skilled while also making it easier to get gear for alt jobs, which sounds like a win-win to me.

[LianaThorne]

Then stop PFing

Would rather PF than deal with statics that disband at the slightest bit of drama/borrow people temporarily till their friends come back. It's like trying to find a unicorn + pretty demotivating when you bust your ass for people only to find out you were a placeholder the entire time. It boggles the mind how communicating that from the start is somehow an issue.

Only static I've successfully had last without drama is a past content min ilvl no echo group I'm in twice a week. Have yet to find one to last in current content though with people dipping out after a couple sessions or getting pissed at criticism.