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    I don't get why people keep asking for beast races after Hrothgar

    if they add Lupin or Loporrits or whatever the rats were called then people would just be complaining 24/7 about not enough customization and not enough gear because Lupin and rats can't wear hats nor, most likely, gloves (lopporits have viera ears so they probably cant either) and the hairstyles would almost definitely be connected to faces again

    plus people who actually want these are a very small minority, so it's a ton of work for a race that'll probably have less players than Hrothgar
    Squeenix's best move is to just keep adding more Kemonomimis since that's what most people who play this game actually want (me excluded, can't beat Au Ra)
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    Quote Originally Posted by SylvAlternate View Post
    I don't get why people keep asking for beast races after Hrothgar

    if they add Lupin or Loporrits or whatever the rats were called then people would just be complaining 24/7 about not enough customization and not enough gear because Lupin and rats can't wear hats nor, most likely, gloves (lopporits have viera ears so they probably cant either) and the hairstyles would almost definitely be connected to faces again

    plus people who actually want these are a very small minority, so it's a ton of work for a race that'll probably have less players than Hrothgar
    Squeenix's best move is to just keep adding more Kemonomimis since that's what most people who play this game actually want (me excluded, can't beat Au Ra)
    Don't care, want muh rats.
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    I could see myself using a female Horothgar as a black mage just to make some fun content like, why don't dogs use ice spells? They go MIAUUUU in a band saw, and why do cats not use fire spells they go WOFF just before burning, and yes that's a small taste of my dark humor
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    Quote Originally Posted by SylvAlternate View Post
    I don't get why people keep asking for beast races after Hrothgar
    Because in a perfect world, they will have figured out and ironed out the issues that they had with the Hrothgar.
    And with the issues out of the way, heres is what we'd like to see next in terms of another Non-Humanoid / Human Looking Race. Assuming they could be made with no issues.
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    The latest addition to the Hildibrand quest line has rekindled my desire for playable Loporrits... >.>
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aron73 View Post
    I could see myself using a female Horothgar as a black mage just to make some fun content like, why don't dogs use ice spells? They go MIAUUUU in a band saw, and why do cats not use fire spells they go WOFF just before burning, and yes that's a small taste of my dark humor
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    They also don't purr, they chuff.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SylvAlternate View Post
    plus people who actually want these are a very small minority, so it's a ton of work for a race that'll probably have less players than Hrothgar
    Squeenix's best move is to just keep adding more Kemonomimis since that's what most people who play this game actually want.
    The main problem with just go with Kemonomimi is that the Hrothgar version of that would basically be a Miqo'te. At worst(best!?!) Female Hrothgar might be of the same vein as Aisha Clan Clan from Outlaw Star. Au Ra is good I'll agree but I cant help but still feel a little cheated by not getting the more draconic/demonic version from the concept art.

    I don't think that they should give up on more bestial races and settle with Kemonomimis just because they are not as popular. Variety is the spice of life and would liven up the FFXiV world.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thaciscokidd View Post
    The main problem with just go with Kemonomimi is that the Hrothgar version of that would basically be a Miqo'te. At worst(best!?!) Female Hrothgar might be of the same vein as Aisha Clan Clan from Outlaw Star. Au Ra is good I'll agree but I cant help but still feel a little cheated by not getting the more draconic/demonic version from the concept art.

    I don't think that they should give up on more bestial races and settle with Kemonomimis just because they are not as popular. Variety is the spice of life and would liven up the FFXiV world.
    And to add to this... it should be worth noting that while it wouldn't make an impressive dent on the numbers, a good reason why people shy away from Hrothgar to begin with is how poorly implemented it is. Other reasons include personal taste and the daft fear of being called a furry.

    So you want Kemonomimis, SylvAlternate. Do you understand that that's no different than asking for Garleans? More hyurs with animalistic features doesn't change the fact that they're hyurs. It doesn't provide variety whatsoever. And I dare say, expand a little bit on the Miqo'te lore and you'll find easily a quick and easy way to insert any animal you want. Y tribe can be cats, M tribe can be dogs, Z tribe can be birds, V tribe can be Viera, L tribe can be Elez--I mean giraffes. On and on. You're not really breaking the mold there. At that point, there's nothing, and I mean NOTHING special about your race. Because you're no different than the N amount of other races that have animal traits. Oh so you're a girl with rat ears, well I'm a guy with bear ears, look at how diverse we are!!

    Asking for more bestial races or shorter races at least promotes some variety. We can still have kemonomimi, and as you said quite correctly, IT SELLS. A LOT. But those options should be just that. Options. Not make an entire race out of "oh I have dog ears and not cat ears". Even the few traits these races would otherwise have are overall just so minor when you compare them to stuff like Au Ra, Hrothgar and Lalafell. Races that have a little bit more to their unique designs than just "copy-pasted Hyur with Tamamo Headband". Those races promote diversity a lot more than cat ears and cat tails. Just because it baits people with bland tastes into buying the game and fantasias, it doesn't mean that there's any inherent superiority in it. The only thing is has is money. And while that's fine and dandy from a business standpoint, the consumer end will find it distasteful.

    I personally find every single iteration of Elder Scrools humanoids to look the exact same and waste a character slot. We really could have just done with Human, Elf, Orc, Lizard, Cat. But no, we have variations of Elves and Humans.
    PSO2 at least shook it up, but you can't fool me: Newman are just elongated humans. I give a pass to Dewmans for at least trying to be different with a proper justification, but they too are lacking. If they added the Beast race from Phantasy Star Portable, it'd be way better.
    GW2 shakes it up on every race except maybe the Norns. They're less glorified Roegadyn, just scaled up Humans. The rest are incredibly unique: beasts, goblins and plant people.
    And in all those you'll find a demographic. It's fine to want Kemonomimi, but when you're literally describing various iterations of Miqo'te and Viera into individual races, you're just bloating the game with the exact same option, "but made special".
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    i still cant believe they gave us another cat-themed race instead of something cool like lupin. don't understand why they didn't make hrothgar 1:1 with ronso like the viera were directly 1:1 to viera from ff12
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zanarkand-Ronso View Post
    Because in a perfect world, they will have figured out and ironed out the issues that they had with the Hrothgar.
    And with the issues out of the way, heres is what we'd like to see next in terms of another Non-Humanoid / Human Looking Race. Assuming they could be made with no issues.
    The issues they had with Hrothgar were poor design decisions and massive underestimation of how much people like having hats and hair.

    Speaking as someone who'd gladly play a wolf race if done well, I don't have any faith at all in SE's ability to do a beast race any kind of justice. They certainly haven't so far.
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