Tales from Duty Finder: Some make you laugh, some make you cry. Let's vent. 2.0

[Kansene]

These past days I have not been playing that great but man getting screwed twice in 2 dungeons with Superbolide depresses me.
1 in Dusk Vigil at start of w2w, Scholar arrived a bit late but it was a good reason to use the invuln, the moment I use.... dead and had a quarter or so of health which means I got hit a millisecond or so in between the hp drop and invuln i guess?? Healer apologised but it wasn't his fault.

Same thing happened in Tower of Zot, this was mostly a mistake of mine with bad mitigations cycling but I still had Superbolide to make up last pull, still died while doing bless server ticks, would have not happened with the other 3 tanks.

These past days people have been apologising to me while I am the one making the mistakes, I feel like dying inside lol

Aw, that's rough. I had the reverse experience during a run through Arboretum the other day, managed a clutch bolide while the healer was struggling and they complimented me on it at the end. T_T

[TheMightyMollusk]

I call it "Angry Bacon"

Goes great with Angry Meatball over in WoD.

[Renalt]

Goes great with Angry Meatball over in WoD.

I wouldn't know. I leave if I get the CT set of alliance raids. I'll take that penalty cause it gives me an excuse to be in Uldah for 30 minutes and try to find a hot FemRa that will look at me with disgust and occasionally slap me around a bit.

[Tale_Schmitt]

Oh, hey, new here. So this must be pretty important and 100% valid for me to login here, right?

So. I've so had it with Extreme Trials always - ok, 60 % of the time - having some know-it-all mentor who just won't stop talking. I'm not there to talk, I'm there to play. I know there a new players but these chatterboxes start giving advice before anyone has even asked. And then they go on and on, explain everything once, twice, three time and when we finally get to play and die, they do it over again. So I start a ready check. Everybody is ready - except for you know who. So everybody would be willing to play instead of them. And when we go on, they keep chatting and saying "hey, let's discuss", "hey, can we communicate".

And then they put all these marks on the playing field, some are useful, most of them are not. Couple of times there have been so many marks A, B, C...Z that it's hard to see player characters or enemies from it. And then they explain to newcomers how if A, go to F, if B go to G unless A>B, then go to H.

I get it, if people say they want advice, you can give it. I can give it too, but I'm not pushing it onto them. If people fail, we can go through the mechanics but not spend 5-10 minutes on it everytime we're inbetween tries. I'm just there doing the damn book, please let me. And I'm in no rush, if it takes 10 tries for newcomers to get it, it's fine, been there. But it's the endless taaaaaalk that drives me crazy. And the markings.

[Tiramu]

Oh, hey, new here. So this must be pretty important and 100% valid for me to login here, right?

So. I've so had it with Extreme Trials always - ok, 60 % of the time - having some know-it-all mentor who just won't stop talking. I'm not there to talk, I'm there to play. I know there a new players but these chatterboxes start giving advice before anyone has even asked. And then they go on and on, explain everything once, twice, three time and when we finally get to play and die, they do it over again. So I start a ready check. Everybody is ready - except for you know who. So everybody would be willing to play instead of them. And when we go on, they keep chatting and saying "hey, let's discuss", "hey, can we communicate".

And then they put all these marks on the playing field, some are useful, most of them are not. Couple of times there have been so many marks A, B, C...Z that it's hard to see player characters or enemies from it. And then they explain to newcomers how if A, go to F, if B go to G unless A>B, then go to H.

I get it, if people say they want advice, you can give it. I can give it too, but I'm not pushing it onto them. If people fail, we can go through the mechanics but not spend 5-10 minutes on it everytime we're inbetween tries. I'm just there doing the damn book, please let me. And I'm in no rush, if it takes 10 tries for newcomers to get it, it's fine, been there. But it's the endless taaaaaalk that drives me crazy. And the markings.

Im on the fence about this. You often get experienced players like Mentors who I sometimes wonder whether they have synced it before rattling on about the strat. However, Ive not been in a group who cleared with first timers who didnt discuss strategies - either from someone who knows or blinds figuring it out.

[BaconBits]

Oh, hey, new here. So this must be pretty important and 100% valid for me to login here, right?

So. I've so had it with Extreme Trials always - ok, 60 % of the time - having some know-it-all mentor who just won't stop talking. I'm not there to talk, I'm there to play. I know there a new players but these chatterboxes start giving advice before anyone has even asked. And then they go on and on, explain everything once, twice, three time and when we finally get to play and die, they do it over again. So I start a ready check. Everybody is ready - except for you know who. So everybody would be willing to play instead of them. And when we go on, they keep chatting and saying "hey, let's discuss", "hey, can we communicate".

And then they put all these marks on the playing field, some are useful, most of them are not. Couple of times there have been so many marks A, B, C...Z that it's hard to see player characters or enemies from it. And then they explain to newcomers how if A, go to F, if B go to G unless A>B, then go to H.

I get it, if people say they want advice, you can give it. I can give it too, but I'm not pushing it onto them. If people fail, we can go through the mechanics but not spend 5-10 minutes on it everytime we're inbetween tries. I'm just there doing the damn book, please let me. And I'm in no rush, if it takes 10 tries for newcomers to get it, it's fine, been there. But it's the endless taaaaaalk that drives me crazy. And the markings.

Consider making a party finder so you don't get jaded mentors that aren't interested in running into a brick wall for potentially 60 minutes.

Alternatively, just unsync the trial.

[Deveryn]

Oh, hey, new here. So this must be pretty important and 100% valid for me to login here, right?

So. I've so had it with Extreme Trials always - ok, 60 % of the time - having some know-it-all mentor who just won't stop talking. I'm not there to talk, I'm there to play. I know there a new players but these chatterboxes start giving advice before anyone has even asked. And then they go on and on, explain everything once, twice, three time and when we finally get to play and die, they do it over again. So I start a ready check. Everybody is ready - except for you know who. So everybody would be willing to play instead of them. And when we go on, they keep chatting and saying "hey, let's discuss", "hey, can we communicate".

And then they put all these marks on the playing field, some are useful, most of them are not. Couple of times there have been so many marks A, B, C...Z that it's hard to see player characters or enemies from it. And then they explain to newcomers how if A, go to F, if B go to G unless A>B, then go to H.

I get it, if people say they want advice, you can give it. I can give it too, but I'm not pushing it onto them. If people fail, we can go through the mechanics but not spend 5-10 minutes on it everytime we're inbetween tries. I'm just there doing the damn book, please let me. And I'm in no rush, if it takes 10 tries for newcomers to get it, it's fine, been there. But it's the endless taaaaaalk that drives me crazy. And the markings.

This is a recurring topic in these forums, usually from the perspective of mentors. People that have cleared this and end up running into these trials on mentor roulette want to just help people get through them once. If any new people want to do blind prog or something, party finder is the better place for that. It's easier when everyone is on the same page about how they want to run the fight and if you run the timer out, you can go back in with the same people to try again. Unfortunately, the game doesn't point you in that direction and the Western crowd in general doesn't seem to push for that enough.

Markers are important in extreme and savage content, especially when running the latest duties. Unlike the normal / hard fights, these are more structured like learning a dance routine.

[Absimiliard]

The vast majority of mentors are not qualified to assist with EX trials to begin with.

[GTK0HLK]

The vast majority of mentors are not qualified to assist with EX trials to begin with.

Practically the reason why most honest to ____, helpful, and instructive players avoid the Crown until they actually know what it is their doing.
I for example while could easily take either Crown.
I don't, and it ain't cause I wouldn't want to work towards a goal and help out players.<like I do in Eureka, even if I miss an NM or two. or spawn them, and go to prep the next, as they call PT>

I haven't done an honest to Sync Extreme, or Raid.[and I'll never take the Crown til I have done most Competently enough to actually help people]

It's sad that many who do take the Crown, or in an out of content, aren't there for the journey, and their goals at the end<or helping others as a laughable distant care>, but the Perceived Glory and Grandeur. Which is easily perceived as third rate 3d print.

Respects to those Mentors who do the title Justice. But that system needs to change.
Rather have a Black Crown, or as some said, a watering can icon instead.

[Bellsong]

Oh, hey, new here. So this must be pretty important and 100% valid for me to login here, right?

So. I've so had it with Extreme Trials always - ok, 60 % of the time - having some know-it-all mentor who just won't stop talking. I'm not there to talk, I'm there to play. I know there a new players but these chatterboxes start giving advice before anyone has even asked. And then they go on and on, explain everything once, twice, three time and when we finally get to play and die, they do it over again. So I start a ready check. Everybody is ready - except for you know who. So everybody would be willing to play instead of them. And when we go on, they keep chatting and saying "hey, let's discuss", "hey, can we communicate".

And then they put all these marks on the playing field, some are useful, most of them are not. Couple of times there have been so many marks A, B, C...Z that it's hard to see player characters or enemies from it. And then they explain to newcomers how if A, go to F, if B go to G unless A>B, then go to H.

I get it, if people say they want advice, you can give it. I can give it too, but I'm not pushing it onto them. If people fail, we can go through the mechanics but not spend 5-10 minutes on it everytime we're inbetween tries. I'm just there doing the damn book, please let me. And I'm in no rush, if it takes 10 tries for newcomers to get it, it's fine, been there. But it's the endless taaaaaalk that drives me crazy. And the markings.

Use party finder then instead of complaining about mentors actually doing the job they get made fun of for NOT doing lmao