People who can't do AOE rotations in 70+ Content

[Zebraoracle]

And yet there is no consequences to someone single target killing. So expect it. How can you put expectations on a person when they won't be punished and won't care what anyone tells them in the group?

EDIT: I by no way condone the single target killing in wall to wall pulls. Just pointing out that there is no point to expecting people to play the way you want them to.

I mean, if people would actually kick people who refuse to participate, they'd eventually have to shape up or run with trusts. For some reason people in this game have it so ingrained in them that they HAVE to put up with having their time wasted by griefers. It's wild when you look at other online games where people expect at the bare minimum for someone to try in group content.

[Padudu]

I mean, if people would actually kick people who refuse to participate, they'd eventually have to shape up or run with trusts. For some reason people in this game have it so ingrained in them that they HAVE to put up with having their time wasted by griefers. It's wild when you look at other online games where people expect at the bare minimum for someone to try in group content.

Yeah it's really weird that the community sets these limits to expect what people should put up with.

Person with no job stone? Griefing, kick, report. No one should have to carry that and have to deal with it.

Person not using AoEs/doing the bare minimum to keep the dungeon smooth and easy going? Well, just put up with it! Don't expect anything more from randos, this isn't hardcore content. They might not know. They might not read. But by god you should do your duty and put in more effort for the lazy person who won't.

[sagacious]

I mean, if people would actually kick people who refuse to participate, they'd eventually have to shape up or run with trusts. For some reason people in this game have it so ingrained in them that they HAVE to put up with having their time wasted by griefers. It's wild when you look at other online games where people expect at the bare minimum for someone to try in group content.

I agree with you when I first started long ago I didn't know what rotations were and hated to read so why would I read a tool tip lol. One dungeon changed all that because the tank stopped the fight look at me and said, "I'm sorry you need to learn your rotation your dps is to weak." (Kicked) I was devastated, angry, embarrassed, and demoralized. What did I do? I googled archer rotation, went to a dummy practiced, read the tool tips, and after a week of practicing went back to that same dungeon and at the end received all three commendations. A kick in the pants is what I needed I'm good now.

[caffe_macchiato]

I agree with you when I first started long ago I didn't know what rotations were and hated to read so why would I read a tool tip lol. One dungeon changed all that because the tank stopped the fight look at me and said, "I'm sorry you need to learn your rotation your dps is to weak." (Kicked) I was devastated, angry, embarrassed, and demoralized. What did I do? I googled archer rotation, went to a dummy practiced, read the tool tips, and after a week of practicing went back to that same dungeon and at the end received all three commendations. A kick in the pants is what I needed I'm good now.

This seems like Stockholm syndrome, but it’s also quintessentially FFXIV in the current year. Yoshida pretends that we’re not allowed to do this, but as we can all see in this thread, many people deeply love and appreciate online toxicity. His vision doesn’t matter, yours does. And that’s fine! You can chase everyone else out. Let’s make this into WoW or EQ or the rest.

A problem, though: I (and others) subscribed to Final Fantasy XIV because of Yoshida’s vision. We bought into a lie, because that vision is dead if no one cares about it. FFXIV is not a “friendly community”, it’s not “less toxic than WoW”, and the people do not “welcome new players with open arms”. And only difference between FFXIV and lesser MMOs is that we have a sock puppet (Yoshida) that pretends that things are okay when they really aren’t. It’s good for revenue, but it’s also a complete lie. More scrupulous consumers should avoid giving money to hucksters and liars, but you all clearly enjoy it, so the circus of lies and deceit will continue much to your amusement.

[EnigmaticDodo]

This seems like Stockholm syndrome, but it’s also quintessentially FFXIV in the current year. Yoshida pretends that we’re not allowed to do this, but as we can all see in this thread, many people deeply love and appreciate online toxicity. His vision doesn’t matter, yours does. And that’s fine! You can chase everyone else out. Let’s make this into WoW or EQ or the rest.

A problem, though: I (and others) subscribed to Final Fantasy XIV because of Yoshida’s vision. We bought into a lie, because that vision is dead if no one cares about it. FFXIV is not a “friendly community”, it’s not “less toxic than WoW”, and the people do not “welcome new players with open arms”. And only difference between FFXIV and lesser MMOs is that we have a sock puppet (Yoshida) that pretends that things are okay when they really aren’t. It’s good for revenue, but it’s also a complete lie. More scrupulous consumers should avoid giving money to hucksters and liars, but you all clearly enjoy it, so the circus of lies and deceit will continue much to your amusement.

Asking people to do a freaking AoE on repeat prompts this response? jesus christ. Sorry I even said anything, bob.

This type of energy is why I don't bother even trying to correct people most of the time and hit myself with that self flagellation 30 min penalty, dhc into character switch.

[caffe_macchiato]

Asking people to do a freaking AoE on repeat prompts this response?

You did not ask players to please use their AOE rotation. You told them to stop playing the game. That is the difference.

People here know how to use their AOE rotations. The people who need help aren't reading this. This is virtual jousting aimed at fostering a braggadocios gameplay environment. We do not need to lambast new or less-experienced players for our own pleasure. They have enough difficulty with the game as it is. Putting an ambiguous, unsizable conglomerate of players down behind their backs is a low-effort, passive-aggressive self-esteem booster and has no constructive purpose.

[SylvAlternate]

You did not ask players to please use their AOE rotation. You told them to stop playing the game. That is the difference.

People here know how to use their AOE rotations. The people who need help aren't reading this. This is virtual jousting aimed at fostering a braggadocios gameplay environment. We do not need to lambast new or less-experienced players for our own pleasure. They have enough difficulty with the game as it is. Putting an ambiguous, unsizable conglomerate of players down behind their backs is a low-effort, passive-aggressive self-esteem booster and has no constructive purpose.

if you read the very first post in this thread you'll see that they didn't tell people to stop playing the game, they told players to use the singleplayer features instead of sandbagging 3 other people in every dungeon, and yeah you're right people here already know to use them, but it's not like anyone in this thread has actually been arguing about that part, it's been almost entirely about DF randoms not using them

and I don't see how this is supposed to be fostering a "braggadocios gameplay environment" (or "toxicity" in normal person speak) or "lambasting" new players for "pleasure", literally all anyone on this side of the argument wants is for players to have the basic competency required to realize that pressing their multi-target attacks in a multi-target situation may be a good idea

also if anything we should be telling new players specifically about these things, someone in Sastasha <10 hours in is much more likely to improve their playstyle than someone in The Dead Ends 300 hours in.
if someone doesn't tell them, they'll never know, and if you wait too long then they'll never change

[Absimiliard]

I mean, if people would actually kick people who refuse to participate, they'd eventually have to shape up or run with trusts. For some reason people in this game have it so ingrained in them that they HAVE to put up with having their time wasted by griefers. It's wild when you look at other online games where people expect at the bare minimum for someone to try in group content.

Kicking someone for single targeting mobs is liable to be treated as abuse of the kick function by SE. It's happened to people before.

[sagacious]

Kicking someone for single targeting mobs is liable to be treated as abuse of the kick function by SE. It's happened to people before.

Yes, but in my case it saved me from quitting the game. It helped me. I could have recorded the conversation and had him suspended a day or two but I didn't he was right I sucked and I did something about it.

[Nestama]

Kicking someone for single targeting mobs is liable to be treated as abuse of the kick function by SE. It's happened to people before.

I dunno about that. SE does have "lethargic behaviour" in their prohibited activities list.

Aiding the enemy / Uncooperative behavior / Lethargic behavior
Refers to an act of performing actions that give an advantage to an enemy (monsters, or the opposing team/players in PvP content) by not performing the necessary gameplay required of the situation. This may be combined with combat sabotage as well.