Please make Verraise accessible at level 12

[Reinhardt_Azureheim]

Because BLM would still do more damage because RDM tax comes from Embolden, not Verraise. As long as BLM did even 1% more DPS, it would be worth bringing. Why take Verraise in farm if you don't need it because no one's dying?

1.) Raidbuff value is counted towards the job who provided the raid buff and the metric to compare DPS jobs with is rDPS, which accounts for buffs (i.e. the buff on your personal DPS gets subtracted and added to the buffer instead).

2.) No you would absolutely not bring a job for a 1% dmg difference (which is about 0.125% group DPS if we weigh DPS:tanks:heals as 50:30:20 ratio and assuming the damage values are roughly the same). For such a marginal DPS gain you are better off dropping the extra damage and bring high-impact utility like DPS Raise or group defensives.

Prime example for this: Shadowbringer BLM vs SMN for god knows how long

[Mithron]

1.) Raidbuff value is counted towards the job who provided the raid buff and the metric to compare DPS jobs with is rDPS, which accounts for buffs (i.e. the buff on your personal DPS gets subtracted and added to the buffer instead).

2.) No you would absolutely not bring a job for a 1% dmg difference (which is about 0.125% group DPS if we weigh DPS:tanks:heals as 50:30:20 ratio and assuming the damage values are roughly the same). For such a marginal DPS gain you are better off dropping the extra damage and bring high-impact utility like DPS Raise or group defensives.

Prime example for this: Shadowbringer BLM vs SMN for god knows how long

Currently BLM is 5th rDPS, RDM is 9th. Embolden does not make up the difference (though it should, ideally).

Why would you want to bring Raise or defensive utility if they're not needed, don't help healer DPS at all, and BLM does more damage? If 1% is not enough, what is? Tax the Embolden, not the utility. Utility should just be flavor and job fantasy.

SHB SMN was the highest DPS in the game for most of SHB.

[Kalaam]

Why do people want to compete with team-mates so much, that's so dumb.

[Rithy255]

Because BLM would still do more damage because RDM tax comes from Embolden, not Verraise. As long as BLM did even 1% more DPS, it would be worth bringing. Why take Verraise in farm if you don't need it because no one's dying?

No it wouldn't be worth bringing in a progression situation lol

The game should be balanced around progression, its quite literally the most important part to balance around. Arguably BLM is in a awful spot right now, BLM is already the least played caster by quite a bit, so the argument that blm should be brought down to RDM level or RDM Should be brought up to it's level, without removing something like verraise also makes no sense.

You either remove Raise, or deal with lower damage.

EDIT:
Also if it's so "useless" then why not remove it lol, you could even remove it from savage like they're doing with new dugeons.

[Mithron]

No it wouldn't be worth bringing in a progression situation lol

The game should be balanced around progression, its quite literally the most important part to balance around. Arguably BLM is in a awful spot right now, BLM is already the least played caster by quite a bit, so the argument that blm should be brought down to RDM level or RDM Should be brought up to it's level, without removing something like verraise also makes no sense.

You either remove Raise, or deal with lower damage.

EDIT:
Also if it's so "useless" then why not remove it lol, you could even remove it from savage like they're doing with new dugeons.

Progging means DPS checks and enrages, better DPS means more rotation mistakes by others allowed.

The game should not be balanced around progression, that's ridiculous. It's okay if some jobs are better at progging than others, just as it's okay if some jobs are better at clearing than others, so long as every job is relatively balanced with each other in total DPS contribution and viable in both prog and clearing.

BLM needs to be the highest total DPS in the game, currently it's behind all melee, which makes it "bad." RDM is currently 9th, only above MCH. So this gap is more than currently substantial enough to still want to bring BLM over RDM.

I don't want it removed because it's 'useless,' I want it to remain because RDMs being able to raise is core job identity and class fantasy from previous FFs to me. I love that they can save pug roulette runs in alliance raids. That stuff "doesn't matter," but it's fun and adds job flavor. They shouldn't suffer DPS for it.

[Rongway]

Red Mage should not get Vercure and Verraise earlier. FFXIV RDMs are not backup healers; they are not a "hybrid" job; they are not there to drop DPS to do someone else's job; they are not a safety net for people who want to take extra risks because there's an extra raiser. Classic FF RDMs may have been these things, but this is FFXIV and FFXIV RDM's job is to kill things.

Vercure is an on-demand downtime Swiftcast and solo tool (even then, just kill it faster in most cases). Verraise is for when the healers have already blown their Swiftcasts or absolutely cannot stop to raise people because there's too much unavoidable incoming damage at that time. If you give people these tools early, both RDMs and non RDMs will think FFXIV RDM is one of those things I have said they are not. There are already people who wrongly believe FFXIV RDM is one or more of those things--we need to disabuse them of this notion rather than encouraging more people to come to these bad conclusions.

[MagiusNecros]

Angel Whisper at lvl 1 go brrrr.

[Rongway]

Angel Whisper at lvl 1 go brrrr.

Angel Whisper is irrelevant. Blue Mage is a limited job that does not do normal content with normal party compositions. And unlike RDM, blue mages are healers or hybrids, when they are designated to act in such capacity in their all-Blue Mage parties.

[MagiusNecros]

Angel Whisper is irrelevant. Blue Mage is a limited job that does not do normal content with normal party compositions. And unlike RDM, blue mages are healers or hybrids, when they are designated to act in such capacity in their all-Blue Mage parties.

Your salt is delicious. *Flying Sardine*

[FireMage]

Your salt is delicious. *Flying Sardine*

There was no salt, you were trolling and strawmanning. Once a QR always a QR