Yoshi-P "definitive" answer on third party tools from today's 14 hour stream

[Raoabolic]

The mentality exhibited in this thread is precisely why third-party will never get true clarity from the developers. A lot of people simply cannot use them responsibly enough so you're only ever going to get the silent rule of don't ask, don't tell.

Nah, you are just taking ice- ah, firemage seriously. That was your first mistake, lmao.

[Kaurhz]

Nah, you are just taking ice- ah, firemage seriously. That was your first mistake, lmao.

Nah, it's just a general comment, not necessarily exclusively to the aforementioned poster, but in general, we've had countless topics on this in the past and they've all seemingly all gone the same way. Be it on forums or on Reddit.

There's a lot that can be said about this topic on both sides of the coin, but both sides of the coin will only go on their own headcanon, with always leads to a nonconductive debate.

[Raoabolic]

Nah, it's just a general comment, not necessarily exclusively to the aforementioned poster, but in general, we've had countless topics on this in the past and they've all seemingly all gone the same way.

Yeah, and in offline games we just call them "speedrunners". If anything this proves that online gaming was a mistake. :/

[FireMage]

Weren't you the one that kicked off the whole targeting people based on parses thing in this thread? Trying to silence someone based on their numbers in inconsequential content (or in any content, for that matter) is a rather toxic thing to do, whether or not you agree with the point they are making.

Figures you missed what actually happened. See that green at best in Aglaia SCH said something that was stupid; basically showing they had no clue what they, like you, were talking about due to their lack of game knowledge, shown by doing so poorly in Aglaia

I think it's pathetic how desperate you are to defending your own terrible performance when somebody actually checks your logs.

Its almost as if when somebody is being elitist about your parsing suddenly it's not so fun for you anymore is it?

What a joke

The joke is you thinking that a tank dying and me getting TB'd in Hegemone is an indicator of poor performance. The joke is you you not knowing that getting dog first on Hephaistos is an immediate good parse kill, etc etc etc. Do you have any clue what you're talking about?

[Kaurhz]

Yeah, and in offline games we just call them "speedrunners". If anything this proves that online gaming was a mistake. :/

What people do in a game is their own prerogative, e.g., speedrunning. What people do with that information is entirely different in itself, which is arguably part of the larger problem in the context of parsing, and isn't a problem with the tool itself but what it can help to enable/encourage in people, and whilst that remains the case it will never be anything outside of the whole -- don't ask, don't tell.

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

Figures you missed what actually happened. See that green at best in Aglaia SCH said something that was stupid; basically showing they had no clue what they, like you, were talking about due to their lack of game knowledge, shown by doing so poorly in Aglaia



The joke is you thinking that a tank dying and me getting TB'd in Hegemone is an indicator of poor performance. The joke is you you not knowing that getting dog first on Hephaistos is an immediate good parse kill, etc etc etc. Do you have any clue what you're talking about?

So you've died to a tankuster in every gray run you've had? Seems convenient. One you had 3 deaths in, one to dark dome.

[Absimiliard]

Figures you missed what actually happened. See that green at best in Aglaia SCH said something that was stupid; basically showing they had no clue what they, like you, were talking about due to their lack of game knowledge, shown by doing so poorly in Aglaia

Boy you just keep digging that hole deeper, don't you? You can attempt to equivocate all you like. Doesn't change facts.
Fact 1.) This person expressed an opinion you disagree with.
Fact 2.) You replied by attempting to silence them based on a parse taken from inconsequential content.

Your little cactuar friend may warn you about a lot of things, but it won't help you avoid the truth.

[LittleImp]

So you've died to a tankuster in every gray run you've had? Seems convenient. One you had 3 deaths in, one to dark dome.

He has a damage down in all but one of his Hegemone runs, and they are all from personal responsibility mechanics that he failed to avoid.

[Midareyukki]

Times like these need a firm hand. If the playerbase is unwilling to change—and why should it when it’s not a single person?—then we must have safeguards. We cannot trust all players to act in good faith, and rules are necessary to keep them in check.

The simplest choice that SE could make is to disable logging to a readable file. Either encrypt the log file or disable the battle log entirely. It’s a relic from FFXI and 1.0. With that removed, ACT and FFLogs immediately stops working. It’s a very simple change to implement. It could be as simple as devs remapping the default log directory to a non-existent directory thus disabling the file from being generated.

Sure, toxic behavior could continue afterwards, but on a much smaller scale. FFXIV is not some stone monument that can never be changed. It is a video game with updates. We don’t have to be like this.

Congratulations, you have correctly identified the parts where in no small way I make it clear I have zero patience for whinging. I am indeed a snarky person, and guess what, ACT didn't make me this way, I just have zero patience.

Explain to me why you think THE MERE POTENTIAL of it doing something bad is enough to warrant a full holy war against parsing, please. Because that's all I can take from what you're saying. Just because you perceive the toxicity will die down a bit, it's preferable? It won't; it'll just be less justified. And if anything, you'll promote something worse. You'll make people want to stop the game entirely because there's very low incentive to improve, very little to understand where it was you went wrong, and worse, no data for people to compare and understand why their job is underperforming or not.

You'd throw away all the good things parsing CAN bring just because of what you perceive as toxicity. And to that, all else I can really ask is who hurt you with parses? Because that's such an extreme view that I cannot fathom what might possibly warrant it other than "I hate parsing because I myself was a victim of it, thus I am so against it now". If not, then... troll? Legit question, not accusing you of trolling. Yet.

Maybe rather than trying to defend why such a system (and btw, how much you want to bet ACT will find a way to decrypt it anyway?), have you tried understanding why it's not a thing anymore? If SE is so clearly against it, why aren't they applying that anymore? Is it maybe because they see a reason to keep it, since it's allegedly a "gray area"? Grays do exist, the world isn't black or white, much less for there being the potential to harm people. Look... this is a stupid analogy, I admit it... but by that logic, ban all knives. They can hurt me if I'm not careful, and they can hurt and kill people if I use one as a weapon. Nevermind that we cut things necessarily with one. But guess what, this ain't a knife. It's a matter of having thick skin, and unless you're being actively bullied (which guess what, you CAN report! It's why it's such a detriment :P), taking a hint and just admitting to yourself the party isn't for you isn't hard to do. Much less is it understanding you're not all that and that if you want to do stuff past a certain level, you need to get good.

Otherwise, yes. You're whining about parses and being overly dramatic about the impact you think it has on the playerbase. ACT was always around, and it's never stopped people, casual raiders or otherwise, from clearing content nor is it the devil you and others make it out to be. It only stops you from being in parties that wouldn't have underperforming players, in which case, again, find another one!

So either get over it, or find a new hobby mate. One without parses.

[Ivtrix]

He has a damage down in all but one of his Hegemone runs, and they are all from personal responsibility mechanics that he failed to avoid.

im usually not a big fan of holding parses over someone's head but.... you just hit him with the same thing hes been preaching to others.... ouch

call it poetic justice?