Yoshi-P "definitive" answer on third party tools from today's 14 hour stream

[caffe_macchiato]

This thread is living proof that parsing has become a cancer that’s progressively getting worse as the practice becomes more widely accepted. And part of this is the passive-aggressiveness that comes from the community because parsing is banned. Either ban it entirely or accept it officially and let us become competitive like WoW. Having this grey-area cop out isn’t working anymore.

Sadly, I know FFXIV is on the wane and devs don’t want to put too much effort into a title that’s on its way out, but *anything* would be better than this.

[Absimiliard]

let us become competitive like WoW.

Gonna be real here. This community is already more competitive than WoW's.

[Vahlnir]

This thread is living proof that parsing has become a cancer that’s progressively getting worse as the practice becomes more widely accepted. And part of this is the passive-aggressiveness that comes from the community because parsing is banned. Either ban it entirely or accept it officially and let us become competitive like WoW. Having this grey-area cop out isn’t working anymore.

Sadly, I know FFXIV is on the wane and devs don’t want to put too much effort into a title that’s on its way out, but *anything* would be better than this.

Parsing is a wonderful tool in the right hands. This thread has shown, however, that it does end up in the wrong hands. I think when people start saying "Oh yeah? Well, here's your parse for x content!" then they've got nothing else to debate with. They've already lost and don't even realize it. Or they do and they are desperate.

[Raoabolic]

This thread is living proof that parsing has become a cancer that’s progressively getting worse as the practice becomes more widely accepted. And part of this is the passive-aggressiveness that comes from the community because parsing is banned. Either ban it entirely or accept it officially and let us become competitive like WoW. Having this grey-area cop out isn’t working anymore.

Sadly, I know FFXIV is on the wane and devs don’t want to put too much effort into a title that’s on its way out, but *anything* would be better than this.

*people still blaming the tool*
Nah, this just proves that online games have fostered some real bad habits and bad people exist.

[Midareyukki]

I'm just imagining a bunch of adults sitting around bickering about how much dps they do on a video game and it's kind of funny.

You don't need to imagine: it's happening live! xD

This thread is living proof that parsing has become a cancer that’s progressively getting worse as the practice becomes more widely accepted. And part of this is the passive-aggressiveness that comes from the community because parsing is banned. Either ban it entirely or accept it officially and let us become competitive like WoW. Having this grey-area cop out isn’t working anymore.

Sadly, I know FFXIV is on the wane and devs don’t want to put too much effort into a title that’s on its way out, but *anything* would be better than this.

Oh can it with the sob story about the game and parsing, will you? Nobody will play the violin for this, you can curb the drama. The community's always been passive-aggressive, it didn't need parsing to bring it to the limelight. Parsing isn't killing anything. Parsing's always existed, and plenty of people accepted its existence before. It hasn't stopped groups from forming, it hasn't stopped crap from being cleared, it hasn't stopped anything. And just as how it exists, people can use it to be jerks, but they also use it to improve and figure stuff out.

Not to mention it's helped people understand how to balance and minmax things if they so choose. No one, and I mean NO ONE, will give you a hard time as an AST for not giving a card to the DRK on his opener. Because nobody cares. Those who do care do so for a reason, and their immediate thought ISN'T to come after you for being a gray parser. And if they kick you out of PF for it, then find another one because your playstyles don't match. Simple as.

I'm not a raider and even I bloody know this.

[caffe_macchiato]

Oh can it with the sob story about the game and parsing, will you? Nobody will play the violin for this, you can curb the drama. The community's always been passive-aggressive

Times like these need a firm hand. If the playerbase is unwilling to change—and why should it when it’s not a single person?—then we must have safeguards. We cannot trust all players to act in good faith, and rules are necessary to keep them in check.

The simplest choice that SE could make is to disable logging to a readable file. Either encrypt the log file or disable the battle log entirely. It’s a relic from FFXI and 1.0. With that removed, ACT and FFLogs immediately stops working. It’s a very simple change to implement. It could be as simple as devs remapping the default log directory to a non-existent directory thus disabling the file from being generated.

Sure, toxic behavior could continue afterwards, but on a much smaller scale. FFXIV is not some stone monument that can never be changed. It is a video game with updates. We don’t have to be like this.

[TaleraRistain]

Times like these need a firm hand. If the playerbase is unwilling to change—and why should it when it’s not a single person?—then we must have safeguards. We cannot trust all players to act in good faith, and rules are necessary to keep them in check.

The simplest choice that SE could make is to disable logging to a readable file. Either encrypt the log file or disable the battle log entirely. It’s a relic from FFXI and 1.0. With that removed, ACT and FFLogs immediately stops working. It’s a very simple change to implement. It could be as simple as devs remapping the default log directory to a non-existent directory thus disabling the file from being generated.

Sure, toxic behavior could continue afterwards, but on a much smaller scale. FFXIV is not some stone monument that can never be changed. It is a video game with updates. We don’t have to be like this.

I played MMOs back before parsers existed. And yet even then, there was still a measuring stick used for success. Get rid of this measuring stick, and another will be found. Yoshi-P and the developers are doing the sensible thing and letting people have their measuring stick, and just putting in guardrails where they can without getting too invasive in our systems to control how that measuring stick is put to use. Because they don't seem to oppose the measuring stick. They seem to do the opposite, and encourage people who want to work toward it to be the best they can be. They just don't want everyone else they encounter held to that same measuring stick and to be excluded because of it. That's why if the measuring stick is quietly utilized in a manner that doesn't get their attention, they don't put the hammer down.

Do inform me how a SCH doing green in Aglaia is pulling their weight.

LMAO why do you care? It's an alliance raid. I do a lot of my weekly tasks toward the end of the week because I forget or get caught up in other things and 9 times out of 10 there's nearly always someone in there (usually a tank) who says "I'M DRUNK"

And I'm on the raiding DC.

If someone wants to get their numbers for personal improvement, okay, knock themselves out. If they're looking at anyone else's numbers in an alliance raid, they're just looking to nitpick and find fault and try to push some superiority over others. I know for a lot of my friends who do Savage or Ultimates, the casual 24 mans and normal mode stuff is a place they can let their hair down. We get through it just fine. But it doesn't need that razor sharp optimization so we can also have fun with it.