Please give us dog girl/dog boy races

[Midareyukki]

They are ronso

I'm on the camp that they are Ronso, but with an asterisk. That asterisk being that, in a bad day, they're Ronso-adjacent. I'd call them "Ronso" in the sense that they're a spin-off of Ronso. They are Ronso+

Because here's the thing Zanarkand. We can't really point out stuff like "Oh, they look nothing alike + they all have horns in Spira". Because yes, they do... in Spira. In Ivalice, Viera have these weird feet and their fingers and nails are freakishly long. Yet in 14 they're still Viera. Nomenclature in FF14 just changed Ronso to Hrothgar for some odd reason, and the First was the one who stuck with the Ronso name. And we shouldn't look at lore at face-value. The Lost do hail from cold mountainous regions (at least according to Sharlayan misconceptions). But apart from that, the Viera in 14 are not aether-sensitive and don't go into a murderous frenzy if overexposed. And we could nitpick here all we wanted. Ronso are only the First incarnation while Hrothgar are the source, and given that FF11 has Elvaan and Humes, maybe FF14 is the one that's changing stuff up and adding names for the heck of it.

At the end of the day, this really doesn't matter. Because you're both right, in a way.

Hrothgar aren't Ronso in the sense that
a) We shouldn't expect the Spiran versions of Ronso out of a Hrothgar
b) The FF14 Ronso are the First's version of a Hrothgar, and their lore is only implied VAGUELY in Amh Araeng. And unlike the Gagazet Ronso, the Amh Araeng Ronso were desert-dwellers.

But Hrothgar are Ronso in the sense that
a) They hail from Ronso and are identical, if not expanded concept of a Ronso
b) The First at least provides such an association to the race.
Keep in mind that the moogles we have in 14 are not the moogles we have elsewhere. Look no further than the FF12 Moogles; Montblanc would look at 14 Montblanc and cringe. As did anyone who loved TA and 12 upon seeing him.

It's all a matter of perspective. I personally choose to say Hrothgar are Ronso, and if I need to clarify I say "expanded concept of a Ronso in 14's setting".

And do keep in mind, Final Fantasy is notorious for taking stuff out of context all the time as a series. Mateus is both David Bowie and a blue munter. Bahamut is either a neutral entity, a benevolent entity or an outright villainous entity. And the eternal question: is it Kweh or Wark?

[hydralus]

Lol we've had this argument with Viera and Hrothgar years ago.

Hrothgar: IF you want to play something that looks animal, just wear the beastribe outfits provided, or some of the animal looking glamours. Boom, you are a beast race, no need to make one.

Viera: Just play a Hyur, go to the Gold Saucer and buy the Bunny Ears. And BOOM your a Viera.
No need to make a whole Race.

Both ideas are not favorable, nor offer what people are looking for.
Plus it limits customization and glamour options WAY more then it currently is

Considering hrothgar is the 2nd least played male race in the game I'm not sure it offered what people were looking for either. I figure I see everyone and their grandmother wearing that kitsune headband and seems to me that cute head accessories are more engaged than beastial races.

Ironic since hrothgar and viera can't even wear head accessories. So much for 'glamour options'.

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

I'm on the camp that they are Ronso, but with an asterisk. That asterisk being that, in a bad day, they're Ronso-adjacent. I'd call them "Ronso" in the sense that they're a spin-off of Ronso. They are Ronso+

Im still pretty firm on my huge nerdgasm that they are only Ronso by reference. But not actually ronso for the reasons I already harped on.
But, I can get behind and support the idea of being Ronso+, an expansion on Ronso, but, not exactly Ronso.

And with Viera, they DO have their weird feet...but unless the devs wanna remake all footgear to specifically accommodate the Viera, it was a design choice to make them look like they have normal feet outside of their racial Gear. It would be really cool if they could/Would put in that kind of work to make Racial Versions of gear for the Hrothgar and Viera just like they used to do with Miqote headgear.....but yeah, we know thats not happening, like having the ability to make my Hrothgar Digitigrade

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

Considering hrothgar is the 2nd least played male race in the game I'm not sure it offered what people were looking for either. I figure I see everyone and their grandmother wearing that kitsune headband and seems to me that cute head accessories are more engaged than beastial races.

Ironic since hrothgar and viera can't even wear head accessories. So much for 'glamour options'.

Beastraces are a niche. By default they wont be popular, and mainly appear to certain groups, or just act as a different option outside of Human race #5
Human looking races will always have larger appeal, its just how it is.

Im talking about more then just headgear. I mean everything including chest, legs, feet, hands, and all the accessories.
If you are wearing a Beastribe jumpsuit, you cant put on different types of gear on top of that. So its way more limiting then just having a playable beastrace.

[hagare]

Kweh or Wark?

kweh. Accept no substitute

[DixieBellOCE]

Wheres our Burmecian rat queens.

[Midareyukki]

Wheres our Burmecian rat queens.

Probably dead. Did you not play FF9? Burmecia and Cleyra did not end well.

[BaconBits]

Probably dead. Did you not play FF9? Burmecia and Cleyra did not end well.

Do not slander my rats.

[Midareyukki]

Do not slander my rats.

Why're you so upset, we have to deal with the Spira Ronsos getting thanosed by Seymour. It's fine. Square doesn't like beast races, yet here we are.

[BaconBits]

Why're you so upset, we have to deal with the Spira Ronsos getting thanosed by Seymour. It's fine. Square doesn't like beast races, yet here we are.

Real talk, Ronso got it worse imo. Seymour didn't just Thanos them, he 1080 no scoped them offscreen, then bragged about it in front of Kimahri. Thankfully he missed a few, not to mention the Ronso that weren't at Mt. Gagazet at the time.