Yoshi-P "definitive" answer on third party tools from today's 14 hour stream

[Ralphe2449]

people who like parsing because they can better themselves and there's a community that like to better one another and improve one another with it.

It is never about improvement, it is about epeen contest pure and simple, improvement IN DPS is a side effect, not the goal.

I have no issue with people enjoying DPS competition, I mainly enjoy mmorpg pve because of it, but people who pretend it is being done for some great selfless reason are quite cringe and lying to make their side look noble, it is pure selfish fun.

Even worse being the people who brainlessly worship logs for group combs and class viability showing completely inability to comprehend how the game works and acting as if they are going for world first.

[Katt_Felista]

Did he also address people using third party tools to inject your client into the possibility to shut your client down with a very custom warning message upon the windows closing ? It happens that streamers have friends able to do this in all impunity, as a weird somewhat extreme gm-like corrupt privilege.

Because to have the bad luck of finding myself into a PF with a streamer i had a shut down of my client followed by a message, and when i logged back inthe game, the person asked me if i read the message he sent me through shut down, i said, yes, that it was weird that he would know about this, and replied back that it was to "test my honesty". ( i never use third party tools tbh for anything and the raid could proceed )

Weird that it takes being violated with third party tools to test your "honesty" or "loyalty", still the same predator raping the victim mindset and finding yourselves excuses of "checking ur client for third party tools" for doing so. Random People thinking they can be the nsa patting your genitals at the entry of the internet airport to see if you are still a virgin or something.

[Zsolen]

It's a whole lot to address and unless someone is doing it to do something illegal or harasses other players, it's not an issue.

The big and really only issue with FFlogs is that it is an opt out site and not an opt in site.

[BaconBits]

It is never about improvement, it is about epeen contest pure and simple, improvement IN DPS is a side effect, not the goal.

I have no issue with people enjoying DPS competition, I mainly enjoy mmorpg pve because of it, but people who pretend it is being done for some great selfless reason are quite cringe and lying to make their side look noble, it is pure selfish fun.

Even worse being the people who brainlessly worship logs for group combs and class viability showing completely inability to comprehend how the game works and acting as if they are going for world first.

Who hurt you bro?

[KageTokage]

Did he also address people using third party tools to inject your client into the possibility to shut your client down with a very custom warning message upon the windows closing ? It happens that streamers have friends able to do this in all impunity, as a weird somewhat extreme gm-like corrupt privilege.

Because to have the bad luck of finding myself into a PF with a streamer i had a shut down of my client followed by a message, and when i logged back inthe game, the person asked me if i read the message he sent me through shut down, i said, yes, that it was weird that he would know about this, and replied back that it was to "test my honesty". ( i never use third party tools tbh for anything and the raid could proceed )

Weird that it takes being violated with third party tools to test your "honesty" or "loyalty", still the same predator raping the victim mindset and finding yourselves excuses of "checking ur client for third party tools" for doing so. Random People thinking they can be the nsa patting your genitals at the entry of the internet airport to see if you are still a virgin or something.

I'd really like to see video proof of something like this happening because if client to client interactions were actually capable of making this happen I feel like it would be much more common then it is.

[Boblawblah]

Did he also address people using third party tools to inject your client into the possibility to shut your client down with a very custom warning message upon the windows closing ? It happens that streamers have friends able to do this in all impunity, as a weird somewhat extreme gm-like corrupt privilege.

Because to have the bad luck of finding myself into a PF with a streamer i had a shut down of my client followed by a message, and when i logged back inthe game, the person asked me if i read the message he sent me through shut down, i said, yes, that it was weird that he would know about this, and replied back that it was to "test my honesty". ( i never use third party tools tbh for anything and the raid could proceed )

Weird that it takes being violated with third party tools to test your "honesty" or "loyalty", still the same predator raping the victim mindset and finding yourselves excuses of "checking ur client for third party tools" for doing so. Random People thinking they can be the nsa patting your genitals at the entry of the internet airport to see if you are still a virgin or something.

[kaynide]

That's a whole lot of words to say "I understand how fflogs is the only longevity our raids have and removing it will lose us a bunch of money... But we also want them casual money too!".

More like “we are busy doing actual work making the game. Please don’t give us even more work. We really don’t want to have to babysit you guys”

[BaconBits]

Did he also address people using third party tools to inject your client into the possibility to shut your client down with a very custom warning message upon the windows closing ? It happens that streamers have friends able to do this in all impunity, as a weird somewhat extreme gm-like corrupt privilege.

Because to have the bad luck of finding myself into a PF with a streamer i had a shut down of my client followed by a message, and when i logged back inthe game, the person asked me if i read the message he sent me through shut down, i said, yes, that it was weird that he would know about this, and replied back that it was to "test my honesty". ( i never use third party tools tbh for anything and the raid could proceed )

Weird that it takes being violated with third party tools to test your "honesty" or "loyalty", still the same predator raping the victim mindset and finding yourselves excuses of "checking ur client for third party tools" for doing so. Random People thinking they can be the nsa patting your genitals at the entry of the internet airport to see if you are still a virgin or something.

Ain't no way you gon' post something like this then not follow it up with some screenshots or any photographic evidence.

[FireMage]

It is never about improvement, it is about epeen contest pure and simple, improvement IN DPS is a side effect, not the goal.

I have no issue with people enjoying DPS competition, I mainly enjoy mmorpg pve because of it, but people who pretend it is being done for some great selfless reason are quite cringe and lying to make their side look noble, it is pure selfish fun.

Even worse being the people who brainlessly worship logs for group combs and class viability showing completely inability to comprehend how the game works and acting as if they are going for world first.

Oh look, a garbage take

[FireMage]

Did he also address people using third party tools to inject your client into the possibility to shut your client down with a very custom warning message upon the windows closing ? It happens that streamers have friends able to do this in all impunity, as a weird somewhat extreme gm-like corrupt privilege.

Because to have the bad luck of finding myself into a PF with a streamer i had a shut down of my client followed by a message, and when i logged back inthe game, the person asked me if i read the message he sent me through shut down, i said, yes, that it was weird that he would know about this, and replied back that it was to "test my honesty". ( i never use third party tools tbh for anything and the raid could proceed )

Weird that it takes being violated with third party tools to test your "honesty" or "loyalty", still the same predator raping the victim mindset and finding yourselves excuses of "checking ur client for third party tools" for doing so. Random People thinking they can be the nsa patting your genitals at the entry of the internet airport to see if you are still a virgin or something.

I'll take things that never occured for 100