RMT griefing many aspects (two, housing and savage) and the vocal minority of them

[Katt_Felista]

It is a very wide and common problem on FFXIV and much more prevalent and present then anyone think.

Simple as :

Roulettes for housing are a haven for 2000 euros / usd resale of entire wards owned by these rmt FC. These houses go from 300 to 2000 + on any of these sites if you look for them, it's easy to find.

It leads to a huge degradation of the gameplay for those who experience it, on the western side of things, it is in the form of Community targetted harrassment and reporting of players that own houses with nice views and placements, inventing problems with them to see them go bye bye for 1 to 2 months and gradually steal their houses / own an entire ward through many FC's and characters connected to a RMT community, trolling them to the point of getting an outburst reaction of insults , using corpo speech and "toxic" behaviour as a shield when they manage to push players to their limits. "Toxic" and other corpo invented languages are only used as a parashield for accusing everyone else of your own behaviour in this game, doing inversions and projection at every level, it's an umbrella to shield predatory RMT activities.

Same methods are applied in savage raiding, on a big scale on the party finder.

One only has to use the FF Excell log to look for 80%+ parsers that wipe groups on 1 2 3 first raids reset day to reset day.

You will find that they wipe thousand of times on the easiest mechanics, just to clear one shot these fights the last hour of reset day. Numbers and statistic don't lie, and they are thousands to have this exact behaviour that is very telling of the scale of RMT trolling and grief happening in savages.

These groups also use one person to jump from pf group to pf group to make sure they "drop" at least 1 of their member in there and every or so parties to make sure these groups don't clear, and don't progress into the higher tiers, artificially blockading the progress for sale purposes, and gatekeeping the later raids that are clear sold for very high prices.

FF excell logs can help a lot to analyze clears and your rotations, it can also very much help you find all the people doing this, reset day from reset day, by doing a few very useful simple filter search. like, it is obvious that someone able to one shot a fight at any given time, last hour or even minutes before reset day with all the member of his team, failing at early mechanics all week long over an over again for hundreds / thousand times, then suddenly getting god like tier good and doing the easy mechs with a 80 ot 90%ile, are onto ill intent / malignant behaviour all week long on the party finder, it isn't rocket science to figure it out, but i bet, FF excell logs are going to make it more difficult pr tiered behind paywall now to find theses stats as they are also a bit co dependent of the whole real "toxic" this time, "ecosystem" . Amongst the vocal minority of "it's only in your imagination" people of forums and reddit threads downvoting faster then light anyone that DARES stating the obvious beast to defend their bread and butter, Statistics and numbers don't lie Thank you very much.

PS: also the vocal minority of these communities, is actually the larger part of any community online defending this crap by just the same type of manners and tactics of inversion and insulting you being "imaginary problems" or making it up, and blaming victims of these behaviors, always hiding behind corpo toxic and newspeak talk.

I'll add that streamers typically really avoid taking on these discutions seriously because they , themselves, have a huge backlog of discord dwellers and communities literally hoping from games to games with them as they make them popular for a time, to make their living off of it. So it's a very touchy subject they'd rather avoid, but it's still a coward attitude and "letting it go" behaviour, friend of a friend doing it too, we all in this together, etc... etc... all the ways you can imagine that it's "laissez faire" because it has just became too huge of a corrupt inter administrative / functionnary type beast under the hood with a lot of ppl actually doing very nice side money off of it and some sometimes depending on it. So yeah, it's allways very hush hush, and pushed to the side.

[Curisu]

I agree that RMT becomes a bigger problem and SE should definitely do something about it.
I absolutely don't like these Eureka Bunny Farm Bots.

But, I don't know about your PF wipe theory.
At least I've never encountered such a behavior on the Light DC PF in SB and SHB.
But I also haven't raided via PF in EW, maybe that became a thing because they are not allowed to advertise their carry groups in-game anymore.

But yea, SE has to find a way to punish RMT buyers. They can't win a fight against Bots but they can reduce the earnings of them by scaring potential buyer away.

[KageTokage]

But I also haven't raided via PF in EW, maybe that became a thing because they are not allowed to advertise their carry groups in-game anymore.

The RMTers still routinely advertise in PF using expendable accounts due to the dungeon roulette listings being totally unrestricted regardless of level, MSQ progression, or content unlocks.

Requiring you to actually reach a point where you've unlocked the roulettes proper would probably put a stop to that.

[Ralphe2449]

RMT happens in any big mmo really, the bigger the more profitable.

I completely understand the issue with housing considering that means people cant get a home because of RMT guilds. Definitely something that must be looked.

Dont see the issue with savage RMT though expect the fact that RMT isnt allowed, though something tells me this only really is an issue to people who unironically believe they are special for clearing a scripted pve fight so the idea that others get to have the same gear/achievement annoys you, which is a very unhealthy kind of mentality and says more about the person than the RMT people.

Now going around saying RMTers go into groups to sabotage them is definitely on the conspiracy theory level, where you an RMTer why would you upload logs of the run, the buyer probably wont be uploading logs either considering the terrible performance so such "evidence" from fflogs is circumstantial at best.

[Saraide]

Oh boi we are back at it again, I kinda expected you to show up again after that one post on reddit not long ago. I think you vastly overestimate the skill level people in PF have. Many people will just learn one extremely specific way of handling mechanics and then fold under any sort of variation, either through the party doing a slightly different spread or the order of mechanics being slightly off. How many of those people are using cactbot and are getting hit by the classic "turn the bird south" bamboozle, who can say.

[LianaThorne]

It leads to a huge degradation of the gameplay for those who experience it, on the western side of things, it is in the form of Community targetted harrassment and reporting of players that own houses with nice views and placements, inventing problems with them to see them go bye bye for 1 to 2 months and gradually steal their houses....snip

In my two years of being neck deep in the housing scene in NA, I have never once seen a report or mention of someone being targeted and harassed by someone/a group for the sole purpose of getting them to leave and take their house (and people tend to make noise over anything weird here, especially housing). If this is true, fair enough but please present evidence to support your claim. Otherwise, I'm gonna chalk this up as a conspiracy.

People who used to sell homes prior to the lottery switch would bot at placards on several accounts which raised their odds of getting one. Currently, it's a similar concept except they just have all of their accounts bid on a plot instead of spamming a placard. Then they take the home and list it online for cash (ew) or for gil in housing discords or the PF.

[Katt_Felista]

In my two years of being neck deep in the housing scene in NA, I have never once seen a report or mention of someone being targeted and harassed by someone/a group for the sole purpose of getting them to leave and take their house (and people tend to make noise over anything weird here, especially housing). If this is true, fair enough but please present evidence to support your claim. Otherwise, I'm gonna chalk this up as a conspiracy.

People who used to sell homes prior to the lottery switch would bot at placards on several accounts which raised their odds of getting one. Currently, it's a similar concept except they just have all of their accounts bid on a plot instead of spamming a placard. Then they take the home and list it online for cash (ew) or for gil in housing discords or the PF.

That is really funny that i just had a member of TEMPEST talking with me about how they "mark" an black or white mark legit players in pfas they improve savage tier to savage tier, and avoid them or kick them or knowing well that some other rmt'ers send "problematic" / troll individuals in the pf to keep the 80KK to 200KK gil sales for p7S clears, on their 7 alts, and do this with their partner to isolate players into kicking them or making it so they don't take them in parties. Well well well.

And i have the whole convo logs too so, though luck making it like it doesn't exist.

This is a black market, this is a whole community / organized third party system that creates it's customer by explicitly making the experience of everyday joe and players in the game that tries itself in savage, and getting better at it, hellish for sale purposes.

[FireMage]

That is really funny that i just had a member of TEMPEST talking with me about how they "mark" an black or white mark legit players in pfas they improve savage tier to savage tier, and avoid them or kick them or knowing well that some other rmt'ers send "problematic" / troll individuals in the pf to keep the 80KK to 200KK gil sales for p7S clears, on their 7 alts, and do this with their partner to isolate players into kicking them or making it so they don't take them in parties. Well well well.

And i have the whole convo logs too so, though luck making it like it doesn't exist.

You say you have them...yet aren't posting them...sounds convenient. You should do more than just assert if you want to have an actual point

[Saraide]

That is really funny that i just had a member of TEMPEST talking with me about how they "mark" an black or white mark legit players in pfas they improve savage tier to savage tier, and avoid them or kick them or knowing well that some other rmt'ers send "problematic" / troll individuals in the pf to keep the 80KK to 200KK gil sales for p7S clears, on their 7 alts, and do this with their partner to isolate players into kicking them or making it so they don't take them in parties. Well well well.

And i have the whole convo logs too so, though luck making it like it doesn't exist.

This is a black market, this is a whole community / organized third party system that creates it's customer by explicitly making the experience of everyday joe and players in the game that tries itself in savage, and getting better at it, hellish for sale purposes.

Is it the same quality of "proof" like you had last time you made this thread?

[Katt_Felista]

i have it, don't know if i should edit/blur / hide names to avoid getting banned for doing so, because SE is touchy too about this i won't risk my account for screw ups like them.