Anyone else just feeling really disapointed this expansion?*vent*

[ReynTime]

So it's the usual stuff plus other stuff that might catch on or might burn itself out before the first week is even over. I'm holding out hope for criterion dungeons, but its a coin toss whether it succeeds or not.
I've noticed "patch apathy" settling in much faster than it used to. You ask yourself "why should I do x now, if next patch I will do Y instead and invalidate previous stuff". The negative side of the patch reliability I guess, specially if you have several expansions on you.


Not gonna lie, the weird "THIS IS WHAT REAL FINAL FANTASY IS" gaslighting going on in the forums is starting to get on my nerves.

It's one of the most idiotic arguments, really. People trying to dictate what "real final fantasy" is when Square-Enix hasn't gotten a grasp on it since Sakaguchi left. Every Final Fantasy since X has been a war of directors stating "this is MY vision of what Final Fantasy is".
Those are usually the same players who claim new SMN is more "FF-like" even though the way Summoning works in FF hasn't been the same in over two decades.

[currentlemon]

The one thing that is holding this game back in my opinion is job design. EW job design is just ShB 2.0 with only small changes and tweaks. No real innovative changes and the two minute burst window is kinda annoying, but it hasn't really effected me that much since PLD is my only job at max level. Job design is bland, and as someone who's into this game for the gameplay aspects and as a Healer main, it's practically the most disappointing aspect of the game. I love the content and I wouldn't mind trying everything out if I had time, but job design needs to be better.

If 7.0 offers no real innovative changes and it's just ShB 3.0, I'll quit.

[Deveryn]

The sad thing is that it's not even damage control, it causes damage. When it comes to unhappy customers, 9 out of 10 decide the game isn't for them and silently leave and a small number care enough to actually complain and offer feedback. By stifling that feedback, the community pushes away the few complainers and also ensures the silent leavers never have a reason to return either.

It happened a lot in WoW. Their community positivity brigade was convinced everything was fine and for a good while it was on the surface. Then their playerbase halved and it was still "fine, it's an old game dude, this is normal, MMO's aren't as popular, game is great", then it halved again while they stopped publishing numbers and now they're barely at a quarter of their original. But it's still "fine".

How bloody ironic. If anything causes damage, it's the negativity brigade that exists because we're not allowed to even have a neutral opinion on this board without being called names or this ridiculous reference comes up. It is the unfortunate norm of MMOs and we accept it, but we're still pushing for change with a degree of patience unlike anything you'll ever fathom.

btw, when it comes to any threads sharing the slightest bit of positivity about the game, I tend to ignore them as I know the usual suspects will show up and try to piss on everything. Ya'll are sad and bitter people and some of you need some real help.

[kaynide]

Look at all the usual suspects acting as unpaid PR damage control lmao. I share the sentiment OP. Not particularly interested in MSQ much after EW, I think the only content I enjoy is Frontlines, and even that has massive problems. Finding it harder and harder to find reasons to log in, which I dont like, but it is what it is.

I'm usually one of the usual suspects defending the game, but I think a lot of the long-timers feel comfortable enough voicing our concerns and calling out the bad when we see it. You're not wrong though- some haters just gonna hate, and some defenders just gonna defend logic be damned.

Yoshida noted in a recent interview that they actually have some new staff on board.

They're working on some of these items, but it can't just happen on its own and fill the space of a year or two. They have to keep putting out the content.

5) have you suggested this anywhere else?

I'm glad they're picking up staff and certainly wouldn't expect major improvements even before 8.0...but knowing that's a thing they're actively working on would be a good thing to know.
Like you said, they gotta pay the bills first and foremost.
For 5, Not a bad idea; I don't know how useful it would be without some extra work to mock it up other than just saying "fix ya'll shops yo!" but I might give that a look. Thanks!

[ReynTime]

I'm keen to see what Riot and some other upcoming projects (including Ashes) are going to do. With MMOs it's best not to raise one's hopes, but I am keeping an eye on them.

Riot does literally what Yoshi-P did with the original FFXIV. They're going to copy what is popular for the MMORPG format at the time, adapt to Runaterra lore and change something here and there to make it more casual-friendly to get into then profit on the character and world alone.
That's literally what they've done in every single one of their games since LoL. So I really don't get why people unhappy with XIV think Riot's will be a better experience.

And worse still, it will be a free to play MMORPG. If people think Mogstation management is greedy, wait til they see what gets done in a MMORPG with no sub and no license purchase.

[VentVanitas]

Riot does literally what Yoshi-P did with the original FFXIV. They're going to copy what is popular for the MMORPG format at the time, adapt to Runaterra lore and change something here and there to make it more casual-friendly to get into then profit on the character and world alone.
That's literally what they've done in every single one of their games since LoL. So I really don't get why people unhappy with XIV think Riot's will be a better experience.

And worse still, it will be a free to play MMORPG. If people think Mogstation management is greedy, wait til they see what gets done in a MMORPG with no sub and no license purchase.

I agree for the most part, though I think there are a few people saying this because they want XIV to stop resting on its laurels and improve as a game, a new popular MMO competing for success would be reason enough for SE to do this- especially if Riot tries to one-up them by copying XIV. Do I think it will happen though? Probably not, there's been next to no news of this supposed Riot MMO and there's not even a guarantee it will ship.

[Kaurhz]

Uhh, not really.

I think they can do a lot better including areas such as job design, or just overall rework more systems that have core issues. E.g., glamouring.

I can't really be disappointed in the expansion seeing as it has been my favorite thus far and is only looking at getting better. But alas, I can only speak for myself.

[Aluja89]

How bloody ironic. If anything causes damage, it's the negativity brigade that exists because we're not allowed to even have a neutral opinion on this board without being called names or this ridiculous reference comes up. It is the unfortunate norm of MMOs and we accept it, but we're still pushing for change with a degree of patience unlike anything you'll ever fathom.

btw, when it comes to any threads sharing the slightest bit of positivity about the game, I tend to ignore them as I know the usual suspects will show up and try to piss on everything. Ya'll are sad and bitter people and some of you need some real help.

Yes, you're being truly neutral

[Liam_Harper]

btw, when it comes to any threads sharing the slightest bit of positivity about the game, I tend to ignore them as I know the usual suspects will show up and try to piss on everything. Ya'll are sad and bitter people and some of you need some real help.

In reality, the moment a positive thread appears, the community positivity brigade rushes in to spam it with "Uh oh, watch out OP, here come the negative people!", "bet this won't last lol <popcorn>", "Finally some positivity, everyone is so negative" and other passive aggressive digs at people who complain before a complaint is even posted, then the moment someone dares point out that negative feedback is fine too, they all gleefully jump on them and tear them to pieces and the thread gets derailed.

It's rather disturbing behavior really and suggests a far stronger need for irl help.

[caffe_macchiato]

We all need to put things into perspective: This is a nine-year old game. Even older if you count 1.0. No game lasts forever. Square Enix puts in the usual stuff, which is basically the same as the old stuff. It’s only one game, after all, you can’t expect it to change every two years. And that $40 per expac is really just charging for the story mode, they don’t really expect you to continue playing long after that.

Yoshida and our community agree that FFXIV is not a live-service product and should never be played as such. You pay for the content, you finish it, and then you leave. This isn’t like WoW or Guild Wars 2 or ESO. It’s sad that people got the wrong idea when buying this game, but it’s up to the customer to do proper research before buying. It’s like expecting FFXV to still have new content. XIV is just 15 minus 1, so what’s the difference?

As Yoshida says, just unsubscribe, that’s Square Enix’s position and there’s nothing we can do to change it. FFXIV will end up tanking in subscribers, and SE will likely be happy, as they never planned (or can afford) for this game to become so popular.

Think of FFXIV as a side project for SE; it’s not like Blizzard which has WoW as one of their main projects. Square Enix makes a ton of games and FFXIV is just a fraction of their total revenue. Moderate your expectations.