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  1. #61
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bukachu View Post
    Its funny because Main Dev has said something in lines of "I encourage people to take breaks and not feel the need to log in all the time"
    Playing devil's advocate, his statement and losing the house by following his advice aren't inclusive in with each other, what he is saying is factually true.

    Yoshida "It's alright not to play it everyday. Since it's just a game, you can stop forcing yourself if it's hard on you to keep that up. Rather, it'll just pile up unnecessary stress if you limit yourself into playing just that one game since there are so many other games out there. So, do come back and play it to your heart's content when the major patch kicks in, then stop it to play other games before you got burnt out, and then come back for another major patch. This will actually make me happier, and in the end, I think this is the best solution I can answer for keeping your motivation up for the game." ~ Yoshi-P. Source: https://livedoor.blogimg.jp/tekitou_...5/552b324e.jpg

    You can easily take a break from playing FF14. You only need to log in once every 45 days(?) to keep the house, which takes all of 5ish mins. The remaining 44 days, 23 hours and 55 minutes you can spend not playing FF14 and taking a break from it. Yoshi-P says that specifically because players will always devour content infinitely faster than developers can create it, so he encourages people to not be playing FF14 24/7 since you'll eventually run out of content to digest.

    His statement however, is carefully worded in such a way so that he's not saying to unsub, just to take a break, a very important distinction. People simply interpret his words to imply unsubbing is fine when that wasn't the intention behind them. They're a business; they -obviously- want you to stay subbed every month, it's simply beneficial to both the devs & the player's mental health that they don't try and force themself to play the game if they're suffering from burnout, which is what he addresses with most of his 'take a break' comments. He's not being hypocritical or going against his own words, he's just being very sly with the wording on them so that his PR response sounds very empathetic.
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    Last edited by Daeriion_Aeradiir; 10-04-2022 at 07:45 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shibi View Post
    I am glad! (really)

    Moving to new servers does fix the problem, a lot of my European friends have gotten their mediums or larges. I know when the new servers hit NA a lot of my NA friends will have a great chance at a house.

    But yes, it does come down to "just how much does one want their home". For a lot of people, the home isn't as important as maintaining their main with FC/Friends.
    That is how I got most of what I have yeah, new worlds were a blessing in that regard, there are so many plots available too which is good.
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  3. #63
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yodada View Post
    There your self inflicted problem for wanting a house is solved.
    I'd argue when the game gives me items that are for houses only then the problem is not self inflicted. I want a house because they gave me things that make having a house desirable when I was doing other content.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LianaThorne View Post
    It exists in LOTRO. If you don't pay upkeep your house is removed from you. They actually have a pretty similar system for housing as here except it's fully FCFS and comes with premium wards for people who want to use paid currency (which can also be removed from you when your sub expires)

    Just pointing out one.
    I did play Lotro but wasnt the "rent" payed with in game currency IIRC?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Silverghost View Post
    I'd argue when the game gives me items that are for houses only then the problem is not self inflicted. I want a house because they gave me things that make having a house desirable when I was doing other content.
    But it never really bothered you from 2011 until 2022?
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    やはり、お前は……笑顔が……イイ

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yodada View Post
    Move your Miqote ass to Alpha and Raiden.

    currently available:

    Alpha: 1134 private plots available, 1 Larges and 95 Mediums
    Raiden: 1231 private plots available, 2 Larges and 114 Mediums

    There your self inflicted problem for wanting a house is solved.
    Anybody who wants a house in the European datacenters needs to seriously consider this advice. On Alpha or Raiden, you can get a guaranteed house while remaining on your datacenter. You don't have to deal with the queues and economy of a new datacenter. You don't have to worry about being totally separated from your friends, because they are just an aetheryte away and you can still set up group chats with a CWLS.

    The new servers they plan to add in the future will be on a new datacenter. This is a much bigger sacrifice than moving to Alpha or Raiden. The separation from your old server will be more complete. This is somewhat mitigated by datacenter travel, but that is nowhere near as seamless as being on the same datacenter. You can't just hop back and forth between your new and old servers so easily.

    It really sucks that SE has still not dealt with the housing supply on established servers, despite the fact that house shortage has been an issue for the better part of a decade now. But I don't see them even considering a fix at least until all their planned new servers fill up. If you are in Europe, the 2 current new servers are a better option than the new datacenter they have planned for next year. If you are in NA, you're gonna have to suck it up and move to a new datacenter next month(unless it gets delayed again). If you are in Oceania, you're not worried about finding a house. And if you are in Japan.... too bad, but at least many of your lotteries end with 2 digit bids.
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    I think the real issue is, everyone want a Mist, Lavender Bed, and Shirogane plots, especially those hotspot area like beachfront view and plot 11/41 on Lavender Beds. The Goblet and Empyreum just a last resort for them in case all of those popular plots are taken except the Large plots...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Knot_D View Post
    I think the real issue is, everyone want a Mist, Lavender Bed, and Shirogane plots, especially those hotspot area like beachfront view and plot 11/41 on Lavender Beds. The Goblet and Empyreum just a last resort for them in case all of those popular plots are taken except the Large plots...
    I really really wanted a large Goblet, the place is wonderful. I actually feel like I am going out on a date every time I hang around that open bar with pools .
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    Quote Originally Posted by Knot_D View Post
    I think the real issue is, everyone want a Mist, Lavender Bed, and Shirogane plots, especially those hotspot area like beachfront view and plot 11/41 on Lavender Beds. The Goblet and Empyreum just a last resort for them in case all of those popular plots are taken except the Large plots...
    Eh? Empryeum isn't popular? Then again I only see a neighbor by the MB once in a blue moon lol.

    Back to OP, more wards but definitely don't bring back the old method on getting a plot. I sure as hell value life and sanity more than clicking countless hours against botters and people using scripts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shibi View Post
    No, it doesn't "solve" the FC ward issue. That's a different kettle of fish.

    It's clear in Yoshi's mind that housing is primary for FCs and secondary to personal. Evidence for this is that it was originally FC only, only releasing to people later. Further evidence for this is that they brought in the 50/50 split for the start of lottery and have maintained a smaller one since.

    It does seem that this split will remain, that Yoshi really desires FCs to be able to get housing so they can grow their community. And due to that I really doubt we will ever see the removal of FC only wards.

    Now;

    Consider that moving subs to a door in the home state main city doesn't impact genuine FCs, these usually desire an estate to set up and be a centre for FC activities. Moving subs to city won't change that. And genuine FCs are by far the main use. The housing surveys prove that.

    And as far as Multiple Sub Pens, doing this would make it absolutely easier for everyone to get 8 sub pens up per account. No limits of getting the house first. Do we want that?

    Hmm, actually, saying that - bring it on! It would allow effortless forming of 8 sub farms on every single server for this account! (mind you the subsequent grinding would send me to an early grave, heh)
    I doubt that having a FC house does all that much for growing FC communities when the house and its features tends to end up the plaything of the officers.

    It would be interesting to poll players to get responses to the following:

    In order of importance, what were the top 3 reasons you joined your FC.
    In order of importance, what are the top 3 reasons you stay in your FC.
    In order of importance, what were the top 3 reasons you left FCs you previously had joined.

    I bet a majority of respondents wouldn't list the FC house as a reason for any of those, and that of those who do it would mostly be mentioned under 1 or 3, not 2.

    YoshiP's intent matters little when the player base clearly feels differently. There comes a point when developers have to say "After several years of access, the players aren't engaging with this content in the way we intended. What changes are needed to make the content a better part of the player's game experience to increase player satisfaction and customer loyalty?"

    That said, I expect some wards to be reserved for FCs only because FC only content is gated by ownership of a house. Can't have the workshop without a FC house. Can't get Grade 3 FC actions without a FC house. Unless SE gives FCs a different point of access for those things, plots will need to be reserved for FC purchase. And that of course opens the door to those who want more of a solo player experience to set up the shell FCs to get a house for personal use.
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