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    Quote Originally Posted by IkaraGreydancer View Post
    We have flying turtles with booster jet feet, flying hippos and other animals, rooster/frog outfits, tomestones (ie smart phones), modern (to us) to futuristic clothes, electric guitar performance items among others...and folks draw the line at...burgers...

    Make it make sense people
    While I don't actually care about the burgers I do dislike the hawaiian shirts and branded clothing that have made their way into the game, I think it clashes horribly with the aesthetic and aren't very well justified by the lore.
    You can claim FF has always been like this but I disagree completely, every FF game has done a good job of making sure all of their components match each other aesthetically.
    Not all the Final Fantasies are tabbards and tunics but if one person is wearing Louis Vuitton then you can expect everyone else to be wearing something to match outside of mythical or magical beings where the contrast is the whole point, while the games that have regular people in frills and plate armor generally won't have some random person wearing a tailored black suit and sunglasses.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kazhar View Post
    Quinn was such a convenient scapegoat isn't he? He's like the one public exemple of someone being an absolute idiot about story skipping but some of the most unpleasant members of the community love to bring him up whenever they can to justify their own acts of targeted harassment. I can't take anybody who mentions him seriously.
    Check my post history if you feel so inclined. I've mentioned him one time and that's here. It's an example of when I feel it's fair game.

    How thats not worthy of being taken serious is beyond me.
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    Part of me wants for us to make an "EW is bad because burgers" meme and see how far that spreads.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ameela View Post
    While I don't actually care about the burgers I do dislike the hawaiian shirts and branded clothing that have made their way into the game, I think it clashes horribly with the aesthetic and aren't very well justified by the lore.
    You can claim FF has always been like this but I disagree completely, every FF game has done a good job of making sure all of their components match each other aesthetically.
    Not all the Final Fantasies are tabbards and tunics but if one person is wearing Louis Vuitton then you can expect everyone else to be wearing something to match outside of mythical or magical beings where the contrast is the whole point, while the games that have regular people in frills and plate armor generally won't have some random person wearing a tailored black suit and sunglasses.
    Considering the game is basically a melting pot of eras I really don't see the issue. People pick n choose what fits n what doesn't and it makes little sense to me. You see things like the Weapons (the bosses) and none of that tech is old tech. That's VERY advanced tech(past our modern age) yet nobody complains about that not fitting xivs general old style.

    Simple fix imo is to not wear or use said items if you feel they don't fit
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  5. #275
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    Quote Originally Posted by IkaraGreydancer View Post
    Considering the game is basically a melting pot of eras I really don't see the issue. People pick n choose what fits n what doesn't and it makes little sense to me. You see things like the Weapons (the bosses) and none of that tech is old tech. That's VERY advanced tech(past our modern age) yet nobody complains about that not fitting xivs general old style.

    Simple fix imo is to not wear or use said items if you feel they don't fit
    The Weapons are actually a perfect example of how Final Fantasy usually handles its sci-fi elements.
    The reason the Weapons exist in the first place is because they're based on already existing monsters - the Ultima Weapon, which is a basis for the others, is literally just a giant lizard with armor grafted onto it. The reason Magitek as a concept is cool is because it's this really advanced technology that's only made possible in a high fantasy-type world, so despite how advanced it is all the technology is limited by what the people of that world perceive as efficient and dangerous. Of course Magitek Armor would be a bipedal, fire-breathing hunk of metal with huge claws, that's the form of the most dangerous thing the people of a world like this could think of.
    The Ironworks armor is also a good example of this - it's obviously technologically advanced, but in terms of its form it's still modeled after the types of bronze or iron plating that you'd expect a low level XIV character to wear, it's just being powered up by Magitek.
    And if we want to bring it back to the real world - there was nothing stopping some random weaver in the 14th century from coming up with a T-shirt, theoretically they had all the materials and knowledge to do it, but the conventions of that era simply meant they wouldn't ever think to try.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ameela View Post
    The reason the Weapons exist in the first place is because they're based on already existing monsters - the Ultima Weapon, which is a basis for the others, is literally just a giant lizard with armor grafted onto it.
    Ultima Weapon is a biotechnological weapon, but its internals do consist primarily of machinery. It was not, based on the information we currently have available, a lizard with armor grafted onto it. Were I to hazard a guess as to the reason for its shape, I'd tend to think the Allagans based it on the dragon-centaur things responsible for summoning Zurvan.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ameela View Post
    While I don't actually care about the burgers I do dislike the hawaiian shirts and branded clothing that have made their way into the game, I think it clashes horribly with the aesthetic and aren't very well justified by the lore.
    You can claim FF has always been like this but I disagree completely, every FF game has done a good job of making sure all of their components match each other aesthetically.
    Not all the Final Fantasies are tabbards and tunics but if one person is wearing Louis Vuitton then you can expect everyone else to be wearing something to match outside of mythical or magical beings where the contrast is the whole point, while the games that have regular people in frills and plate armor generally won't have some random person wearing a tailored black suit and sunglasses.


    FF4 has a giant mech-dungeon you climb in.
    FF6 has a knight a monk and a thief face off against a tank. One of the people on team Hero is a Yeti.
    I mean, FF7 literally has characters wearing armor (Jesse) and people in sunglasses and tailored suits. One of team hero is a mechanized mascot being operated by some dude in a cubicle..somewhere.
    FF10 has a girl in a bikini top hanging with a literal samurai in sunglasses.

    You would be hard pressed to find a Final Fantasy game that DOESN'T mix modern with "ye olde fantasy". And even then, it's more a matter of pixels not showing detail.

    You don't have to like it, and that is fine, but even a Hawaiian shirt is hardly out of place.

    One of the newest titles, Stranger in Paradise, literally has the main character in a button up t-shirt standing with a friend in armor. There are even zippers.




    Or alternatively, sailor uniform back-flap.

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    Last edited by kaynide; 10-04-2022 at 11:45 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kaynide View Post
    FF4 has a giant mech-dungeon you climb in.
    FF6 has a knight a monk and a thief face off against a tank. One of the people on team Hero is a Yeti.
    I mean, FF7 literally has characters wearing armor (Jesse) and people in sunglasses and tailored suits. One of team hero is a mechanized mascot being operated by some dude in a cubicle..somewhere.
    FF10 has a girl in a bikini top hanging with a literal samurai in sunglasses.

    You would be hard pressed to find a Final Fantasy game that DOESN'T mix modern with "ye olde fantasy". And even then, it's more a matter of pixels not showing detail.

    You don't have to like it, and that is fine, but even a Hawaiian shirt is hardly out of place.

    One of the newest titles, Stranger in Paradise, literally has the main character in a button up t-shirt standing with a friend in armor. There are even zippers.




    Or alternatively, sailor uniform back-flap.

    Yeah, and they are all in different games. Are you telling me that seeing Zidane run up to the people in SoP wouldn't make you laugh at how badly that clashes? I am laughing at people getting upset at others for calling out the clashing styles though. Why are you so upset? The devs are clearly leaning towards a jack of all trades master of non sort of situation with XIV, so all you are doing is telling people they are wrong for not liking clashing styles in a single game, lol.
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    FFIX had Hawaiian themed gear. Sure it wasn't visible or anything but those items exist within the game world.


    Just sayin'
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  10. #280
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raoabolic View Post
    Yeah, and they are all in different games. Are you telling me that seeing Zidane run up to the people in SoP wouldn't make you laugh at how badly that clashes? I am laughing at people getting upset at others for calling out the clashing styles though. Why are you so upset? The devs are clearly leaning towards a jack of all trades master of non sort of situation with XIV, so all you are doing is telling people they are wrong for not liking clashing styles in a single game, lol.
    The opposite actually; their complaints were that X doesn't belong in FFXIV. Their dislike is their opinion which is fine, but to say it's not a thing in FF in general is factually wrong; I gave examples of extreme clash within games (eg tanks vs a body building monk; or a Samurai in what is an otherwise brightly colored Islander-fashion vibe world).

    If you actually read my posts, you would see I’ve said they don’t have to like, and that is fine. Several times.

    Furthermore, given what we know about FFXIV's world and cultures, a Hawaiian shirt is simply not that out of place. If you want to argue wierd and out of place, I would have expected Yokai-Watch to be the go-to.
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    Last edited by kaynide; 10-04-2022 at 03:34 PM.

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