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[Raoabolic]

Aveyond, one thing you seem to forget and this goes for anyone who thinks FFXIV is treading down the same downward path as WoW Cata-current needs to realize it isnt solely based on the game alone. Theyre were other huge factors that largely contributed towards WoW's decline:

1. By 2010 when Cata was released, the MMORPG boom that was started with WoW started to decline as technology advanced and many other mmos flooded the market which diluted the genre. Not only that but what used to be a very fun and covenient way for a lot of casual gamers who stuck with WoW as a means to communicate with their friends, found other avenues to interact with them.

2. Old Blizzard dev team had a very clear and obvious unhealthy "rock star" mentality that further got worse as their years go by. And there were some negative communication between them and their playerbase via the forums around the time concerning certain individuals. Yoshida's team, exhibit none of these qualities and they've been taken hits with grace ever since 1.0.

3. Activison-Blizzard came around the time the game started to decline during Cata. Need I go any further.

1. They are already using spaghetti code and an old framework as excuses (lol, nice helms hrothgar.)
2. Are you telling me that the current devs don't treat themselves like rockstars? Btw, check out that new music video that dropped on their youtube channel!
3. Yeah, you should go further. This game has a lot of issues that EA snuck into WoW like the cash shop and the sudden glut of FOMO injected into the game.

Either way, no point in arguing. I tried when EQ/EQ2 got big and SoE went full EA, I tried when WoW got scooped up by EA, I tried when games becoming a service was becoming a common place, tbh I am tried of trying to save a hobby when the new blood would rather blindly defend companies than use some simple critical thinking to see how a bad idea can ruin an IP. All I can say is, enjoy the game! Your mindset has won the day and all we can do is brace for the future and all it brings~!

[Atelier-Bagur]

1. They are already using spaghetti code and an old framework as excuses (lol, nice helms hrothgar.)
2. Are you telling me that the current devs don't treat themselves like rockstars? Btw, check out that new music video that dropped on their youtube channel!
3. Yeah, you should go further. This game has a lot of issues that EA sneaked into WoW like the cash shop and the sudden glut of FOMO injected into the game.

Either way, no point in arguing. I tried when EQ/EQ2 got big and SoE went full EA, I tried when WoW got scooped up by EA, I tried when games becoming a service was becoming a common place, tbh I am tried of trying to save a hobby when the new blood would rather blindly defend companies than use some simple critical thinking to see how a bad idea can ruin an IP. All I can say is, enjoy the game! Your mindset has won the day and all we can do is brace for the future and all it brings~!

1. What I stated was more of a cultural thing due to WoW starting at the right place at the right time. It was bound to decline as more mmos started to follow in its footsteps and over-flooding the market with MMOs. Again, wow was immensely popular because people used the game as more than just what it was. This is why people whom desperately try to capture that "magic" of MMOs is chasing a fool's errand as you cant ever replicate that era. You grew up, people change, standards change.

2. Not with them constantly apologizing and fixing their mess ups and actively communicating with the playerbase via their lodestone posts and Live Letters. This has been something that has been consistent with the team since day one ever since Yoshida came on board. With the Blizzard team, you had people come and go, developers being dismissive of the feedback with their large playerbase etc. You clearly see in their actions and statements that they felt like they could do no wrong. People like to joke that the FFXIV community likes to treat the devs this way, but thats just it, the FFXIV community TREATS them that way, the devs themselves dont.

3. Yes, with how EA actively mistreats their own employees, overpricing the items and services for a paid subscription service (the same services that FFXIV offers are far cheaper than those found in the WoW store). Im not saying that the Mogstation itself is a perfect haven either as a cash shop will always be a cash shop, but if we're going to compare between the two, the WoW store still takes the cake.

[Deveryn]

1. They are already using spaghetti code and an old framework as excuses (lol, nice helms hrothgar.)
2. Are you telling me that the current devs don't treat themselves like rockstars? Btw, check out that new music video that dropped on their youtube channel!
3. Yeah, you should go further. This game has a lot of issues that EA snuck into WoW like the cash shop and the sudden glut of FOMO injected into the game.

Either way, no point in arguing. I tried when EQ/EQ2 got big and SoE went full EA, I tried when WoW got scooped up by EA, I tried when games becoming a service was becoming a common place, tbh I am tried of trying to save a hobby when the new blood would rather blindly defend companies than use some simple critical thinking to see how a bad idea can ruin an IP. All I can say is, enjoy the game! Your mindset has won the day and all we can do is brace for the future and all it brings~!

I was around for EQ/EQ2 and many others. I've seen many failures. WoW had some money and fame behind it. FF has it better and while their initial offering of XIV was garbage, they managed to salvage it. I've not seen anyone get that opportunity much less make something of it.

The Primals are actual rockstars making quality music people want to buy up and attend concerts for. It's a big deal for video game music, which has been much maligned for years. You wanna talk about people acting like rockstars? Let's talk about Brad McQuaid and his visions. Let's talk about Richard Garriott and his big failure in this genre. Let's talk about Chris Roberts fleecing his fans on this perpetual alpha.