Tales from Duty Finder: Some make you laugh, some make you cry. Let's vent. 2.0

[Tiramu]

Last night I was the problem. I decided to unlock Scholar from my Lv60 Summoner, did the job quests and decided to test it out in a roulette, hoping to roll something not too challenging to test it out a little. I rolled The Vault of all things, which made me die a little inside.

Told the group that it was my first time on Scholar, but main WHM so Im used to healing. It was a mixed run, went OK until the 3rd boss where I wiped us twice before getting a messy clear because I was looking at my hotbars and trying to grasp how the shields work.

Anyway, I want to give a shoutout to that group, especially our tank, for being patient, encouraging, and qhelpful party.

[Zebraoracle]

I just want to highlight how you're contradicting yourself. The tank is there to take damage. What are you doing taking it for me, when I take it better? You're not doing me or the healer any favors and you may as well be playing the tank if you so desperately want to take damage. You're messing with my flow, plain and simple.

We already had this discussion that I wasn't going too slow. We agreed on the number of GCDs required to secure aggro. People are just impatient. Too slow? You believe 3 seconds in a 90 minute lockout zone is too slow, but you also believe 3 seconds is also as much as is needed to secure aggro.

Are you high right now? Do you need to lay down?

I don't see how I'm contradicting myself when I already explained the non-tank taking damage during a pulling period is extra mit for the tank. No one's "desperate" to take damage or tank, sometimes someone pulls ahead by accident, sometimes the tank is going too slow and someone pulls for them, either way it's literally not a big deal and healers have more than enough healing to deal with someone taking a few extra hits.

On your second point, I was speaking to the specific example of a reaper pulling ahead, I don't remember or care if that was your original situation (honestly all I remember is you saying you were thinking about reporting someone for using rescue on you), my point here was not targeted at you specifically. You might want to check your hostility, especially when you're displaying the "confidently wrong" mindset right now about tanking dungeons.

[Seera1024]

I just want to highlight how you're contradicting yourself. The tank is there to take damage. What are you doing taking it for me, when I take it better? You're not doing me or the healer any favors and you may as well be playing the tank if you so desperately want to take damage. You're messing with my flow, plain and simple.

We already had this discussion that I wasn't going too slow. We agreed on the number of GCDs required to secure aggro. People are just impatient. Too slow? You believe 3 seconds in a 90 minute lockout zone is too slow, but you also believe 3 seconds is also as much as is needed to secure aggro.

Are you high right now? Do you need to lay down?

Have you played a DPS class?

Many DPS classes have resources that will overcap and therefore be wasted if left unchecked. Or a combo that will only let you move to the next step in X seconds.

You better believe the best DPS players will do what they need to in order to not waste resources or lose a spot in their combo.

We also in such situations aren't claiming the tank is slow. We expect that once the pull is completed that the tank will pull the enemy off of us if they haven't already. One DPS can survive being attacked by on enemy for the length of time it takes for a pull to happen.

[Deveryn]

Have you played a DPS class?

Many DPS classes have resources that will overcap and therefore be wasted if left unchecked. Or a combo that will only let you move to the next step in X seconds.

You better believe the best DPS players will do what they need to in order to not waste resources or lose a spot in their combo.

We also in such situations aren't claiming the tank is slow. We expect that once the pull is completed that the tank will pull the enemy off of us if they haven't already. One DPS can survive being attacked by on enemy for the length of time it takes for a pull to happen.

I've played everything and I know all this. I know the combo timers. (I would comment more on this, but people are losing track of things even when I stay on topic ) These are still poor excuses for jumping ahead, especially at the start. If there's a combo to finish, use it on the mobs that are already aggro'd and in a better bunch than the ones ahead.

I actually don't run into the problem of people pulling ahead very often because most people actually respect the tank and understand its purpose.

[Renalt]

I don't see how I'm contradicting myself when I already explained the non-tank taking damage during a pulling period is extra mit for the tank. No one's "desperate" to take damage or tank, sometimes someone pulls ahead by accident, sometimes the tank is going too slow and someone pulls for them, either way it's literally not a big deal and healers have more than enough healing to deal with someone taking a few extra hits.

On your second point, I was speaking to the specific example of a reaper pulling ahead, I don't remember or care if that was your original situation (honestly all I remember is you saying you were thinking about reporting someone for using rescue on you), my point here was not targeted at you specifically. You might want to check your hostility, especially when you're displaying the "confidently wrong" mindset right now about tanking dungeons.

I'm with you on this one buddy but you are talking to a wall at this point. Best to drop it from here and move on.

[Seera1024]

I've played everything and I know all this. I know the combo timers. (I would comment more on this, but people are losing track of things even when I stay on topic ) These are still poor excuses for jumping ahead, especially at the start. If there's a combo to finish, use it on the mobs that are already aggro'd and in a better bunch than the ones ahead.

I actually don't run into the problem of people pulling ahead very often because most people actually respect the tank and understand its purpose.

If I'm going to lose the combo/resource before the tank hits the enemy, I'm hitting the enemy. Regardless of whether or not the tank has aggro. That's not a poor excuse for jumping ahead. It's not like it's hard for tanks to pull aggro off of someone anymore. 99 times out of 100, the tank pulls the aggro of the enemy off before the end of the pull and no one died as a result and my health doesn't get low enough to require healing.

And I'm always behind the tank in dungeons so it's not like I'm out in the front either. I will stop and hold back if I do end up in front a tank. Even if I end up losing a resource or combo due to it. I can't survive the entire mob and the healer shouldn't have to heal both me and the tank.

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

Maybe they should've add the 4th role: "Puller" lmao.

[Renalt]

Maybe they should've add the 4th role: "Puller" lmao.

If the tank Arms Length was used recently...I'll try to pull at least one mob set as a DPS with my Arms Length and drag it to the tank for them to peel it off. If they don't...I can usually handle one set of mobs with bloodbath/2nd Wind

[BRVV]

G'raha should be a Red Mage. He's a jack of all trades that can utilize black and white magick, along with being very handy with a sword and shield.

Alisaie can be something else more fitting that doesn't have her getting knocked on her arse so much.

Was this supposed to go in another thread? The hot takes one?

[NanaWiloh]

Maybe they should've add the 4th role: "Puller" lmao.

Call the role Yoink