Jaggedy-Eared Jack and the like - Vote, please!

[Firon]

It will then become a time consuming matter because a lot of people will start camping said Mob.
If the NM is of High Level/endgame it would be great. However, for a mob dropping low to mid gear it is not a smart addition to the game. Time consuming mechanics should not take place before endgame.

FFXI does have some good pieces in its puzzle but it can't just be placed anywhere in todays MMO.

Like i said you just assuming they are gonna make pop conditions like xi it does not have to be that way. I also lol @ the ppl saying killing some nm's in xi was an waiting game, those are the same ppl who could never claim LL cause they didn't know you only had to kill 2 of the lizzards that spawn which was the PH's. Only nm's that was an waiting game was mobs like Cerb and such. They can always make mobs pop every 21 hrs no matter what no windows or anything.

[Akumu]

Like i said you just assuming they are gonna make pop conditions like xi it does not have to be that way. I also lol @ the ppl saying killing some nm's in xi was an waiting game, those are the same ppl who could never claim LL cause they didn't know you only had to kill 2 of the lizzards that spawn which was the PH's. Only nm's that was an waiting game was mobs like Cerb and such. They can always make mobs pop every 21 hrs no matter what no windows or anything.

You are assuming about what you think I'm assuming.

Time consuming mechanics prior to endgame is pointless in this generation as it will not go by well. You fail to understand that if a mob pops every 21 hours do you think, in a populated MMO, you will be the only one there? It will become time consuming for an item you MIGHT get and WILL out level.

Such "waiting game" time mechanics before endgame will be a wasted effort and looked at as a negative in this generation.

Why is it waiting game? You will set up camp before the pop, probably with a bunch of others, and still hope the others or someone passing through doesn't lay claim to it. meaning you will have to wait another 21 hours to get a shot at a low drop rate item.

[DrekeLamorte]

You are assuming about what you think I'm assuming.

Time consuming mechanics prior to endgame is pointless in this generation as it will not go by well. You fail to understand that if a mob pops every 21 hours do you think, in a populated MMO, you will be the only one there? It will become time consuming for an item you MIGHT get and WILL out level.

Such "waiting game" time mechanics before endgame will be a wasted effort and looked at as a negative in this generation.

Why is it waiting game? You will set up camp before the pop, probably with a bunch of others, and still hope the others or someone passing through doesn't lay claim to it. meaning you will have to wait another 21 hours to get a shot at a low drop rate item.

Again someone pointing out another assuming when they assume one specific individuals random factoid, and mark it as relevant, thus personally berating there opinion and further derailing the conversation.

To stay on topic, try to elaborate how having these types of NMs and spawning conditions with non-essential drops, such as vanity items, trophies, epeen, and titles impede your ability to play the game, other than being a "elitist" hater, and QQing when you get labled lolcasual. (If you didn't catch it, I was implying that both of those titles are completely inconsequential and have no impact on the game as a whole, other than to stir up personal vendetta's that bleed over into your arguments rendering them invalid.)

[Akumu]

Again someone pointing out another assuming when they assume one specific individuals random factoid, and mark it as relevant, thus personally berating there opinion and further derailing the conversation.

Did you not notice he responded to my statement and I have been replying to him ever since? The guy is also probably a grown man able to express his opinion without DrekeLamorte trying to help.

To stay on topic, try to elaborate how having these types of NMs and spawning conditions with non-essential drops, such as vanity items, trophies, epeen, and titles impede your ability to play the game, other than being a "elitist" hater, and QQing when you get labled lolcasual. (If you didn't catch it, I was implying that both of those titles are completely inconsequential and have no impact on the game as a whole, other than to stir up personal vendetta's that bleed over into your arguments rendering them invalid.)

Lmao I find it funny because you are also assuming I won't be one of the guys with the big epeen walking around. I am a hardcore player in both time and skill so please stop assuming I might be in a lolcasual category. Just because I will enjoy something doesn't mean it will benefit the game or go over well with the majority. I miss my FFXI wyvern yet do you see me creating a thread asking Yoshi-P for it? Do you know why I won't?

I will state it again since people seem to be missing it...

Such "waiting game" time mechanics before endgame will be a wasted effort and looked at as a negative in this generation.

Money matters to a company and doing something that will be a negative impact is not smart. Epeen can be held off for endgame matters. Anything before that is wasted effort.

[DrekeLamorte]

Did you not notice he responded to my statement and I have been replying to him ever since? The guy is also probably a grown man able to express his opinion without DrekeLamorte trying to help.



I will state it again since people seem to be missing it...

Such "waiting game" time mechanics before endgame will be a wasted effort and looked at as a negative in this generation.

Money matters to a company and doing something that will be a negative impact is not smart. Epeen can be held off for endgame matters. Anything before that is wasted effort.

Not when this version of the game is coming to a close in half a years time. You still have yet to draw any tangible correlation, OR ANYONE FOR THAT MATTER, between adding epeen content(already been done and is in yoshi's favor) and it having a negative impact on the game. If anything, the epeen fluff stuff has done more for 14 so far than either primal fights.

[Akumu]

Not when this version of the game is coming to a close in half a years time. You still have yet to draw any tangible correlation, OR ANYONE FOR THAT MATTER, between adding epeen content(already been done and is in yoshi's favor) and it having a negative impact on the game. If anything, the epeen fluff stuff has done more for 14 so far than either primal fights.

What epeen fluff stuff is currently in game? Most people are just excited that jobs have been released and the game is FINALLY shaping up after all of this waiting.

If all we had were the classes still people would not be as excited compared to how they are now. PUG would be a no show, THM would be angry at how they will be in parties to mostly cure, and etc.

Most of what is in Yoshi's favor has nothing to do with some item being placed in game right now. It's how he is modding this horrid world into something much better than Tanaka left behind. The long wait is finally starting to pay off.

Epeen/Competition only matters at endgame. So you camped for 100 hours just to receive an item slightly better, for a job you will level up, and then never look back at the item again. That's is nothing to boast about to anyone.

[Yves]

So you camped for 100 hours just to receive an item slightly better for a job you will level and never look back at the item again. That's is nothing to boast about to anyone.

If that's what someone wants to do with their time and they enjoy so be it. It doesn't effect either one of us so why care? That's like me being pissed that someone ate falafel in Central Park for lunch - it only impacts them and the vendor. If people want falafel and the vendor is willing to selling aaaaaand it doesn't have any impact on us why freak out?

[DrekeLamorte]

What epeen fluff stuff is currently in game? Most people are just excited that jobs have been released and the game is FINALLY shaping up after all of this waiting.

If all we had were the classes still people would not be as excited compared to how they are now. PUG would be a no show, THM would be angry at how they will be in parties to mostly cure, and etc.

Most of what is in Yoshi's favor has nothing to do with some item being placed in game right now. It's how he is modding this horrid world into something much better than Tanaka left behind. The long wait is finally paying off.

Epeen/Competition only matters at endgame. So you camped for 100 hours just to receive an item slightly better for a job you will level and then never look back at the item again. That's is nothing to boast about to anyone.

Again you completely miss the entire topic. It's not for some low-mid level gear to satisfy you until endgame content. It's substance. Things other than powerful gear. That's what makes an MMO a fun place to be. Options, choices, shared experiences. It doesn't all have to be PL pt's so you can make laps around AV/CC/lolmoogle/loliffy for gear, that i'll remind you will be rendered more obsolete with every patch. That's the nature of the beast. Can't you people ever just enjoy content for the sake of doing something, without having to have +120 in all the most OP stats you can to enjoy it. Gear grind =/= a game. It's a niche part. Only important as a whole experience.

[Yves]

You are assuming about what you think I'm assuming.

Time consuming mechanics prior to endgame is pointless in this generation as it will not go by well. You fail to understand that if a mob pops every 21 hours do you think, in a populated MMO, you will be the only one there? It will become time consuming for an item you MIGHT get and WILL out level.

Such "waiting game" time mechanics before endgame will be a wasted effort and looked at as a negative in this generation.

Why is it waiting game? You will set up camp before the pop, probably with a bunch of others, and still hope the others or someone passing through doesn't lay claim to it. meaning you will have to wait another 21 hours to get a shot at a low drop rate item.

So, by this standard, what is an acceptable amount of time? You are fixating on one aspect that you dislike, therefore, finding common ground on that aspect should alleviate the dilemma. At the same time, remember that this was done with the suggestion of having TROPHY ITEMS as opposed to highly sought items. Again, how about a pair of Mole Mittens and Rabbit Cap or some cutesy stuff like that?

[Akumu]

So, by this standard, what is an acceptable amount of time? You are fixating on one aspect that you dislike, therefore, finding common ground on that aspect should alleviate the dilemma. At the same time, remember that this was done with the suggestion of having TROPHY ITEMS as opposed to highly sought items. Again, how about a pair of Mole Mittens and Rabbit Cap or some cutesy stuff like that?

*sigh* Again it is not the time of the NM but the area which it is placed content wise. Having "cutesy" low level items already have a place. It's called event items. There are even mid level event items.

Having useful items that use the "waiting game" mechanics AND competition is much better suited for high leveled content.