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    UkcsAlias's Avatar
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    Aergrael Iyrnrael
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stormpeaks View Post
    Abuse would mean there is ill intent behind it, while in my case at least, I wont talk for others, but for me there isnt, I just enjoy what I do.
    Ill intent is not a requirement. Its just using something in a way it is not intended. And even without ill intent, abuse can still be a problem. Just because its possible and from your perspective doesnt harm anyone does not mean you should do it (in traffic we see this too often).

    A lot of exploits in single player games are still 'abusing a system'. Even if that can just improve the quality of a game and you arent hurting anyone with it.

    But the issue is not about 'now', its about the future. Those wards can slowly fill up, but once that happens. Your FC house in which you are the only owner is now a problem because you abused the system.

    Hence you are part of the problem.
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    LianaThorne's Avatar
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    Lorelai Oshidari
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    Quote Originally Posted by UkcsAlias View Post
    Ill intent is not a requirement. Its just using something in a way it is not intended. And even without ill intent, abuse can still be a problem. Just because its possible and from your perspective doesnt harm anyone does not mean you should do it (in traffic we see this too often).

    A lot of exploits in single player games are still 'abusing a system'. Even if that can just improve the quality of a game and you arent hurting anyone with it.

    But the issue is not about 'now', its about the future. Those wards can slowly fill up, but once that happens. Your FC house in which you are the only owner is now a problem because you abused the system.

    Hence you are part of the problem.
    Late to this but ill intent from one person is absolutely required for something to be abusive. I could go into a deep discussion on abusive relationships and how one partner actively tries to take a dominant/controlling role to have power over their victims but that's not the point of the thread. You can't just call someone or something abusive if the intent of the person behind it is not evil or manipulative...because then literally everyone has been an abuser at one point in their life if we remove that defining line. As an abuse victim, I don't just throw out that word to anyone who does something wrong towards me because that's not abuse. They aren't actively trying to hurt me or manipulate me.

    If people go into housing with the mindset of: I'm going to take all of these houses from others because I want them and no one else deserves one." - that I would call abusive.

    Someone just trying to get a house and using a loophole that the devs put in the game is not. Is it a bit cheaty? Sure. But they're not going into it with the intention of just stealing from other people. To them, they're just getting a house the same way anyone else could if they took the time to do it.

    There are literally hundreds of FC plots available across multiple servers, if they don't shift them to personal plots (which I doubt they will since that would require redesigning wards and moving houses around) I don't blame people at all for wanting to take another path to get one instead of fighting over a 300+ person placard. If they're just doing it to end their own suffering, I see nothing wrong or abusive with that.
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