Get rid of SAM Limit break gimmick already (FL)

[Boffy]

FL shouldn't be about having to carefully sift through a group of 48 enemies to individually check every samurai for chiten before daring to even start attacking anyone for fear of an instant oneshot.

Reminds me too much of having to sift through 48 opponents in Onsal looking for paladins.

[Esmoire]

Indeed. People are still too caught up on "Well a counterplay solves it!" and not thinking about the implications and consequences of the counterplay on the overall game.

Truthfully, Chiten was never a good idea, even for CC, because of how much residual AOE damage is added onto abilities. You can counterplay against it, but just because the developer instated a counterplay or limitation to a LB, that doesn't mean it should avoid scrutiny, and doesn't mean it can't be improved. Zantetsuken is a horrible design for both the SAM and their opponents alike.

[Ravenwatch]

The other issue with SAM LB in Frontlines as well is that its power is exacerbated by the fact that there is so much baseline Damage Reduction for everyone. Comparatively, other LBs that have a fixed potency affected by these massive DRs become less appealing versus the LB that doesn't care for them and oneshots.

When its difficult for people to die, the AOE 1-shot on debuffed players shines twice as hard and becomes its very own new "hidden" perk.

[CriscoJack]

SAM's LB is antithetical to a good time, here's to hoping it gets the boot in the future.

[Jettinson]

FL shouldn't be about having to carefully sift through a group of 48 enemies to individually check every samurai for chiten before daring to even start attacking anyone for fear of an instant oneshot.

Reminds me too much of having to sift through 48 opponents in Onsal looking for paladins.

Absolutely, normally I do not play Samurai in PvP but I had to try for FL to see how stupid it is before I made any judgement...

I can just sit or jump next to an ally or run into the weakest AoE with Chiten up, barely take any damage and get my easy kill(s) while the receiver struggles to understand what just happened because the attack was not aimed at me.
Even in a direct confrontation is just obnoxious to deal due to server tick or doing nothing for 5 seconds kill the mood.

And I do not even dislike SAM's general kit, starting to warm up to it but I am getting a lot of free damage and pass because people are just afraid of Chiten unless they can stunlock me to death or am stupid to jump alone in an enemy group.

I do hope the LB gets a rework along with Chiten, bring Third Eye or something i don't know...

[Cabalabob]

It should definitely be changed to just reduce target to 1hp AT LEAST, I absolutely hate SAMs, if you hit them and see chiten you just got to GTFO even if they don’t have LB ready you can’t know that so your only option is to run and when there’s like 5 of them running around it’s basically impossible to play a melee without risking hitting one. Frankly It’s just sad that SAM gets instant AoE KO as an LB in the first place when other melee classes get nothing even remotely similar or as powerful except maybe NIN which even then isn’t as bad.

The worst thing is even when you see chiten and you know it’s coming you can’t do anything. I’ve tried stunning them, using my reaper LB to cause hysteria, guarding. But due to it having no cast time and server tics screwing you over, none of it activates in time and I’m already dead by the time I can put any defences up.

[Vatom]

Oh this argument again yawn.
Wake me up
When September ends.

[Osmond]

Hmmm…..nah, it sounds hilarious to me with SAM’s Chi-zuken. Just knocking out 20 ppl in 1 go is amazing. Why fix something that is broken on this content, only to(I know it’s going to happen) find it boring when everything is balanced. BE CAREFUL WHAT YOU ASK FOR!!

[AshaStardust]

The only reason people pick SAM in frontlines it\\'s to piss off everyone with their Chiten+LB.

I can\\'t see between 20 players in the screen even with most of the visual effects off the SAM who comes with chiten up since you have no indicators, no visual animation, chiten blinks for 1 second when they cast it and that\\'s all then you have to target the sam and follow the chiten buff until expires , this meanwhile I\\'ve to deal with another 10 players around me or probably another 2-3 SAM\\'s from both alliances.

I\\'m not talking about the OBVIOUS SAM player who dives 1vs24 thinking he will wipe an entire alliance with his gimmick playstyle.

My point ; is not fair to instantly DIE and lose max BH because one of my AOES in BETWEEN so many people poked one of the 5 SAMS with chiten and then get deleted instantly without any counter play.

MCH Chain Saw got nerfed to 95% of total HP, so if don\\'t see why Chiten+LB would leave the target in 1 hp at least.

Huh? SAM has the most useless LB in the game. I play SAM often and almost never even bother with it. The only time I can ever get it to work is when I am being attacked and surprise the person with a sneak Chiten they aren’t expecting. Almost every player can see that big purple debuff coming, so what you are experiencing is not a major problem. Trust me, most players out there well see the SAM LB from a mile away

[Elfidan]

Huh? SAM has the most useless LB in the game. I play SAM often and almost never even bother with it. The only time I can ever get it to work is when I am being attacked and surprise the person with a sneak Chiten they aren’t expecting. Almost every player can see that big purple debuff coming, so what you are experiencing is not a major problem. Trust me, most players out there well see the SAM LB from a mile away

Again, if you AOE as some jobs must you can get clapped without ever seeing who did it. Also, what? It's like the easiest LB to get off because there are so many wind-up and two-part attacks out there. Maybe you need to play it more often?