Can we close the gap between Ranged/Melee and Casters before criterion dungeons?

[Atmaweapon510]

Criterion dungeons are going to exacerbate a lot of the problems we have now and if they're tuned to be even somewhat similar to savage raids, there's going to be some major issues. Double melee is probably going to be very popular if dungeon mechanics don't force strict spreads since role bonus isn't as important and it's going to be hard to justify the significant gap between BLM and RDM/SMN who get doubly penalized for being support dps and having non-functional raises.

[Semirhage]

Considering the fact that CBU3 believes the monstrous rez taxes on SMN and RDM are "justified" in making them inferior to melee in basically every single way, I can pretty much guarantee that having non-functional utility in criterion dungeons that the entire kits are taxed for won't have any refund for it. Healers were expected to just deal with being glorified Esuna dispensers for Rathalos while everyone else got to have fun. Meleewalker is designed for melee DPS and Black Mage to have fun.

[Mithron]

Considering the fact that CBU3 believes the monstrous rez taxes on SMN and RDM are "justified" in making them inferior to melee in basically every single way, I can pretty much guarantee that having non-functional utility in criterion dungeons that the entire kits are taxed for won't have any refund for it. Healers were expected to just deal with being glorified Esuna dispensers for Rathalos while everyone else got to have fun. Meleewalker is designed for melee DPS and Black Mage to have fun.

BLM doesn't have fun unless it's #1 DPS which it's currently not, just saying

[Keichi]

Is this realy necressary?
Whe have allready 3-4 threads, where people complaining about the gap.
And yet a new one for a content, where whe dont even know, how it is looking?

[Cithaerias_pyropina]

Is this realy necressary?
Whe have allready 3-4 threads, where people complaining about the gap.
And yet a new one for a content, where whe dont even know, how it is looking?

It's always wait and see with you people.

The writing is on the wall. Red Mage and Summoner are almost guaranteed to be completely barred from the 2 higher difficulty versions when the likes of Bard and Dancer exist and will be far safer to play, have more damage, have unlimited mobility and have utility that isn't outright rendered useless in the version of Criterion where you cannot res people who die.

There will also only be room for 4 jobs so you can't get all 5 roles to begin with to have that 5% buff. So it won't be a necessity to take a caster. So the safest comp will likely be Melee and Phys ranged. Melee/Melee will likely be meta if a large portion of the boss's hitboxes are arena sized or the bosses go invulnerable an obscene amount of times.

Oh how exciting it will be to see a Monk in nearly every Criterion prog and clear party. /s

[CKNovel]

Is this realy necressary?
Whe have allready 3-4 threads, where people complaining about the gap.
And yet a new one for a content, where whe dont even know, how it is looking?

Yes it is.
Why? Because of giant hitbox with free positionnals.

You want to think the "logical way", then think logically about what will happen if this gap keeps existing.
In your logic way, do you think any group for criterion dungeon will open their door to a physical range?
Or RDM and SMN as their resurrection will be utterly useless?

[Keichi]

I dont even know, how the specifics of this content is.^^
I think simply, that it would be similary to palace of the dead, the bozja Front and this ruins from bozja. Means, that you enter it with random people. Or can have a wide mix. And, that the bosses can be as big of variation, as the bosses from the front (some very easy, some a big pain in the ...).

I never thinked about it, that it would be similary complicated, as savage stuff. For me, it would be something around this dragon thing from stormblood (where you even dont have ress and heal at some point).

In short: simply waiting up and see, how things are coming (learned it in the rl, that thinking about stuff, before they are coming or happens is useless, it is coming in most cases other ways, or not in the form, how people thinked).

[CKNovel]

In short: simply waiting up and see, how things are coming (learned it in the rl, that thinking about stuff, before they are coming or happens is useless, it is coming in most cases other ways, or not in the form, how people thinked).

Back in ShB we also were in the "wait and see" mindset.
Guess where we are now.

[Kalaam]

We already know that criterion dungeon at max difficulty is intended to be a challenging content, with limited respawn mechanics and normal raises disabled. That's already enough information to know that SMN and RDM's "edge" over BLM (raise usage for prog) will be useless.
If the dps checks are as tight as savage, you know those jobs will be banned from party finder day one.

[Ransu]

I highly doubt the criterion savage dungeons will be on the same difficulty curve as savage raids.