SAM and SMN is doing too much damage and should be nerfed.

[SleepyCococat]

yes their is a lot of troll baiting going on here.

Do you think SMN is hard to play tho?

[Aikaal]

Do you think SMN is hard to play tho?

Do you believe yourself? SMN already does bad. SMN just happens to be slightly above RDM who is worst. Every single DPS job is easy. No SMN main asked this brain dead rotation that never fits buff windows because of fight designs that delays buff windows.

You're post is a giant troll and yet you believe yourself. You don't even raid on the character you've put and you have 4 posts. Nobody is taking you seriously here.

[Renascent]

Still think you are a troll but ain't Nobody that care about your difficulty argument, and idk if it's the simplest but it's not like the others are hard, NIN and RPR are also stupid easy and braindead. Mnk may be argued to be more complex but you can recover any mistake with 2 braincells connecting. Drg is also freaking easy on a a dummy fight wich pretty much all savage are now.
Also smn so broken yeah right.

[Aikaal]

Still think you are a troll but ain't Nobody that care about your difficulty argument, and idk if it's the simplest but it's not like the others are hard, NIN and RPR are also stupid easy and braindead. Mnk may be argued to be more complex but you can recover any mistake with 2 braincells connecting. Drg is also freaking easy on a a dummy fight wich pretty much all savage are now.
Also smn so broken yeah right.

Summoner is easy. However, it's stupid. P8S is the best example where you get 15 seconds before Ego Death. You deal with a choice; using Phoenix and not have your burst during pot buff windows with a 100% damage buff or you spam Ruin III for 15 seconds. This is not how you should think when you play a job. Is summoner brain dead? Yes. Is it easy to optimize? Yes because you're always taking a L.

For those who can't see it still.

https://www.fflogs.com/zone/statistics/49/#boss=87

Red Mage does better on Hephaistos II than SMN. They focused fights to make it easy on melees and yet they give no damn about Ranged and Casters.

To hell with anyone saying SMN deserve to be bottom DPS. I'm not denying it's brain dead but clearly when they reworked SMN and MNK their dev team had a monk main and no summoner main.

[SleepyCococat]

Do you believe yourself? SMN already does bad. SMN just happens to be slightly above RDM who is worst. Every single DPS job is easy. No SMN main asked this brain dead rotation that never fits buff windows because of fight designs that delays buff windows.

You're post is a giant troll and yet you believe yourself. You don't even raid on the character you've put and you have 4 posts. Nobody is taking you seriously here.

So do you think SMN is hard to play lmaooo?

[SleepyCococat]

Still think you are a troll but ain't Nobody that care about your difficulty argument, and idk if it's the simplest but it's not like the others are hard, NIN and RPR are also stupid easy and braindead. Mnk may be argued to be more complex but you can recover any mistake with 2 braincells connecting. Drg is also freaking easy on a a dummy fight wich pretty much all savage are now.
Also smn so broken yeah right.

rpr is already the lowest dps now so we don't talk about it here(I do think it is simple tho). I would not be surprised at all if they nerfed Samurai to same level as rpr. I would, however, be very surprised if they nerfed NIN or DRG for difficulty reasons.

[Renascent]

Yeah smn have to make stupid choice like this because of how rigid the rotation is, and how all it's damage are bloated during and after burst its the same in p2s. You could do cool things in SHB because Dreadwyrm Trance was separated to summon bahamut wich made the job way more flexible. (but dev don't like you having smart choice only stupid one so enjoy)

[SleepyCococat]

Summoner is easy. However, it's stupid. P8S is the best example where you get 15 seconds before Ego Death. You deal with a choice; using Phoenix and not have your burst during pot buff windows with a 100% damage buff or you spam Ruin III for 15 seconds. This is not how you should think when you play a job. Is summoner brain dead? Yes. Is it easy to optimize? Yes because you're always taking a L.

For those who can't see it still.

https://www.fflogs.com/zone/statistics/49/#boss=87

Red Mage does better on Hephaistos II than SMN. They focused fights to make it easy on melees and yet they give no damn about Ranged and Casters.

To hell with anyone saying SMN deserve to be bottom DPS. I'm not denying it's brain dead but clearly when they reworked SMN and MNK their dev team had a monk main and no summoner main.

Didn't you answered your own question tho. What you said is the exact reason why P8S phase 2 rdps logs have zero reference value. I would say you should take a look at speedkill group comps to see the actual job strength.
You can put your burst in 100% damage buff to get more actual damage. However this will be reflected as less rdps on fflogs because they removed double damage buff. So basically what you said(using Phoenix with a 100% damage buff) is the reason why "Red Mage does better on Hephaistos II than SMN ON FFLOGS". Do you play fflogs or ffxiv?

[AsiTsurugi]

For those who think SAM is not the simplest melee..., which job do you think is? Simply curious.

I play melee dps almost exclusively in any content that matters, and because of the encounter design, every melee is equally braindead right now. There is simply no thought involved in maintaining uptime because gigantic, omnidirectional hitboxes just hand it to you on a platter (since Eden's Promise at least), and the 2 minute burst windows (since Endwalker) for every one of those classes makes thinking about burst alignment a moot point. I want to even question why melees do so much higher damage than ranged physical or casters now because the justification for that used to be "but keeping melee uptime is hard", and is simply not the case anymore. It's just pathetic how the so-called not-incompetent devs don't know what's fun in their design and what people enjoy the most in a particular class or role.

[SleepyCococat]

Do you believe yourself? SMN already does bad. SMN just happens to be slightly above RDM who is worst. Every single DPS job is easy. No SMN main asked this brain dead rotation that never fits buff windows because of fight designs that delays buff windows.

You're post is a giant troll and yet you believe yourself. You don't even raid on the character you've put and you have 4 posts. Nobody is taking you seriously here.

Yeah I believe myself alright. SMN is currently the simpest job and have a high chance to be nerfed in the future.
I can also alter my sentence and say that there is a chance that they buff every other job and I don't see any hope SMN will be buffed, which, apparently, is how they nerf things in EW now.

Currently there is a huge cry on RDM being underperforming while no one complains about SMN underperforming(because there is zero reason to. If you consider about the difficulty tax and support tax). Don't you see this as a immanent “EW style nerf”?

SAM is actually safer if you consider that they really don't like nerfing in EW. Given the current status of melee jobs it is unlikely for them to buff other melees. So althogh I think sam may slowly slide to the lower end of dps hierarchy, sam should be safe, for now.
SMN on the other hand tho. I will put my money on "immanent nerf in 6.25" if I have to bet.