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  1. #41
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    SilverSkyway's Avatar
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    Silvorin Skycrest
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    Brynhildr
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    Archer Lv 100
    FF14 player: Reeee. Game broken and unbalance
    *looks at other mmos and their devs*
    Oh. Yes. Soo unbalance. The dev just sooo don't care. FF14 devs don't test their content or are transparent with us. They are not human and creators of the game. Nah. Game broken. Why not just be WoW or insert other balance mmo here....
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  2. #42
    Player Mithron's Avatar
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    Mithron Scarlet
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    Gilgamesh
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    Paladin Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by MagiusNecros View Post
    Yep definitely an issue when you can do 4x the work for 33% of the damage you used to deal 1 or 2 xpacs ago.

    Meanwhile you got some clear jobs that can do 4x the damage for 4x less work.

    The only reward for a lot of work is more work.

    MCH should put out a lot more damage for only having a 2 minute 10% mitigation buff.

    The best utility is Peloton for MCH in dungeons and Alliances to get to the action faster.

    Why hit 20 buttons when you only need to hit 3.
    I'm against difficulty tax, though. I don't think job difficulty should really matter at all for balance. The only thing that should matter is how much support they bring. Not melee, not ranged, not job difficulty. The only time difficulty can be made into an argument is when comparing two jobs of equal support levels, for example BLM vs. SAM. BLM should out DPS SAM due to the nature of the difficulty of the job. If BRD offers way more support than RDM, but RDM is easier to play, RDM should still out DPS BRD.
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  3. #43
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    Quor's Avatar
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    Alexya Ultor
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    Leviathan
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    Dark Knight Lv 90
    If there's one thing we can take away from the Kaiten removal, it's that the dev approach has now officially shifted away from "let's do it right, even if it takes more time/effort/energy" to "whatever is easier for us devs."
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    Quote Originally Posted by DRKoftheAzure View Post
    I still wouldn't do it [double weave oGCD's on GNB] because there is a good chance to mess up the rotation and it can easily cause a wipe because of server ticks.

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    Caius Megaflare
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    Ragnarok
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    Summoner Lv 100
    A DPS tax on a so-called easy job makes no sense to exist, especially on FF14,
    or else this so-called easy job must have a contribution almost similar to those of their respective roles, there will always be differences in DPS,
    but this must remain minimal or must be compensated by synergy or mitigation.

    In any case even if some jobs are easier to play than others, overall the DPS on ff14 are not difficult to play with a little practice everyone is theoretically able to play a class correctly if they do a minimum effort and that they give interest to these.

    Especially since the development team is doing everything to casualize the game as extensions are added,
    Each roles gets tools to make them easier.
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  5. #45
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    Bastilaa Shan
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    Excalibur
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    Blue Mage Lv 80
    I could see SMN having low DPS if they provided so much support Like Ifrit Phase gave raidwide ATK buff, Titan gave raidwide mitigation and Garuda gave Haste for faster CDs during each of their phases.

    I don't see a whole lot going on for Summoner to warrant that low damage.
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  6. #46
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    Noah Orih
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    Faerie
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    Sage Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by MagiusNecros View Post
    I could see SMN having low DPS if they provided so much support Like Ifrit Phase gave raidwide ATK buff, Titan gave raidwide mitigation and Garuda gave Haste for faster CDs during each of their phases.

    I don't see a whole lot going on for Summoner to warrant that low damage.
    As a DNC I vomited a little in my mouth at the sound of being given haste against my will.
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  7. #47
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    Mevra Noor
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    Balmung
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    Pugilist Lv 81
    Honestly, this entire post has just left me disappointed.

    Comapred to DNC and BRD, Mch is not an easy job to play optimally. You have to be very aware of managing your resources and have near perfect ping to get things all in correctly to do your burst window correctly. I hate that excuse, them calling MCH easy - sure, it's easy f you just play it by 'push all buttons' but, that isnt how it is played optimally.
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    Square, can we have an OCE fanfest now?

  8. #48
    Player Mithron's Avatar
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    Gilgamesh
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    Paladin Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by MagiusNecros View Post
    I could see SMN having low DPS if they provided so much support Like Ifrit Phase gave raidwide ATK buff, Titan gave raidwide mitigation and Garuda gave Haste for faster CDs during each of their phases.

    I don't see a whole lot going on for Summoner to warrant that low damage.
    Right. SMN should have more DPS because despite being easy to play, they don't offer that much support even with a raise. So either give it more support to justify their low DPS, or buff their DPS.

    I do hope next expansion they get Ramuh/Leviathan/Shiva, and then eventually Alexander/Diabolos.
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  9. 09-17-2022 06:51 AM

  10. #49
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    Phyx Pixls
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    Marilith
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    Dancer Lv 100
    Yoshida trying to put out the raging fire with with what he thought was retardant, but is instead high-grade flammable oil.

    MCH, SMN, RDM and by extent RPR and BLM don't deserve that awful, stagnant mosquito larvae-infested puddle of an excuse AND overall low quality treatment for this expansion.

    Quote Originally Posted by MagiusNecros View Post
    I could see SMN having low DPS if they provided so much support Like Ifrit Phase gave raidwide ATK buff, Titan gave raidwide mitigation and Garuda gave Haste for faster CDs during each of their phases.

    I don't see a whole lot going on for Summoner to warrant that low damage.
    inb4 SMN gets even longer cd's AND skill potency reduced lower than healer damage across the board in exchange for utility. Yoshi Taxation at work!
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    >> https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/455359-We-really-should-be-able-to-glamour-other-jobs-sets <<

    Come on SE, more dyeable mogstore npc outfits and 60/70 alliance raid gear. Do them all.

  11. #50
    Player MagiusNecros's Avatar
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    Bastilaa Shan
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    Excalibur
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    Blue Mage Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Mithron View Post
    Right. SMN should have more DPS because despite being easy to play, they don't offer that much support even with a raise. So either give it more support to justify their low DPS, or buff their DPS.

    I do hope next expansion they get Ramuh/Leviathan/Shiva, and then eventually Alexander/Diabolos.
    In terms of DPS the raise just tanks your damage. But on the other hand if a Melee bites it you have to raise them because their damage is better then yours.

    > : U

    Like I dunno what getting a new tier of Summons would even do other then have that visual appeal. You still are just a Ruin Mage that got stabbed in the back and you find it difficult to function correctly.
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