Yoshida's post about p8s nerf and job balancement

[MagiusNecros]

The statement can be summed up in 2 words. Damage. Control.

I don't take much stock in what "If you need something to heal go play Ultimate" has to say.

There is no reason job balance is the way it is. They are sticking to their 2 minute Frost Death Knight burst meta.

And the ONLY reason they are reworking PLD is because it's one of the few jobs that doesn't conform to a 2 minute burst.

I think the devs and the players are playing 2 different games here.

I agree with Summoners having to align windows. Between Bahamut/Phoenix and the wonky Aetherflow nonsense it's just bad.

Not a fan of this conform or die combat encounter design. Bring the job not the player indeed.

May as well wait for Blue Mage to reach Endwalker if they want to play it that way.

[Aexnidaral]

I appreciate the Dev team being transparent in their decision-making process and attempts to explain in good faith.

That said, I think they're really missing the mark on this in a way that's extraordinarily frustrating. The line about wanting to avoid disappointing players who are playing Jobs who already deal great damage, if other Jobs get buffed really rings hollow, and is surprisingly out of touch.

I don't expect them to magically buff jobs out of the wazoo in an emergency patch, but some significant and substantive acknowledgement that there's imbalances they've identified and that they're working on adjustments/buffs/changes would go a long way.

Right now, however, it feels like they've misplaced their focus on this issue and it's disappointing.

[CKNovel]

"When balancing jobs, each job’s base damage numbers at the applicable item level are adjusted with respect to the difficulty of playing that particular job and its rotation, as well as its support actions and their effects."

I'm still stuck in this line, it's the most infuriating statement.
We choose our jobs because we like them, it's Yoshida and his team that impose the skill floor and ceiling to us.

It's also somehow a lie, if they adjusted based on this statement SMN should be the bottom of the barrel due to the simplicity of its rotation and the support action.
Then we can also look at MCH, harder to play than SMN and DNC, also has much less support but somehow this job has the least rDPS?
How about the melees that are all very easy to play in this tier due to the massive hitbox?

If SQEX still wants to balance around difficulty, they should make all jobs equally difficult. Again, we're not the one settings the difficulty and it's subjective.

The balance is broken, their balance philosophy is broken. I truly expect some words about change of philosophy.
Also: Talk about MCH, it's been 4 years of ignored feedback now, at least share information with us.
How come we know why it's been left in the gutter today after a tier nerf?

I hope this is a terrible misunderstanding.

[Imora]

Just gonna say there's a problem when the freestyle SAM out damages the ranged.

[ty_taurus]

I appreciate the Dev team being transparent in their decision-making process and attempts to explain in good faith.

That said, I think they're really missing the mark on this in a way that's extraordinarily frustrating. The line about wanting to avoid disappointing players who are playing Jobs who already deal great damage, if other Jobs get buffed really rings hollow, and is surprisingly out of touch.

I don't expect them to magically buff jobs out of the wazoo in an emergency patch, but some significant and substantive acknowledgement that there's imbalances they've identified and that they're working on adjustments/buffs/changes would go a long way.

Right now, however, it feels like they've misplaced their focus on this issue and it's disappointing.

It makes me quite curious as to what the Japanese feedback looks like, and also curious as to how the NA feedback is being collected and translated and from where. I get the vibe that intentions are quite genuine even if it is very catered to damage control, but the things like not wanting well-performing jobs to get upset over under-performing jobs getting buffs... Is that a Japanese thing? Where is that logic coming from?

[SaberMaxwell]

Ah excellent, so now cards are on the table and "difficulty tax" is considered. Good to know that development philosophy changed.

[SaberMaxwell]

The above post is sarcasm I'm just exhausted.

[Stasya]

That said, I think they're really missing the mark on this in a way that's extraordinarily frustrating. The line about wanting to avoid disappointing players who are playing Jobs who already deal great damage, if other Jobs get buffed really rings hollow, and is surprisingly out of touch.

Well they dissapoint me with this balance already and their blatant lies. From this post it is clear that they dont even release a fight they cleared themself, they release overtuned fight and pray its going to be ok.

But this time trash balance bite them back, well maybe didnt bite, they still dont care.

[MagiusNecros]

Just gonna say there's a problem when the freestyle SAM out damages the ranged.

Yep definitely an issue when you can do 4x the work for 33% of the damage you used to deal 1 or 2 xpacs ago.

Meanwhile you got some clear jobs that can do 4x the damage for 4x less work.

The only reward for a lot of work is more work.

MCH should put out a lot more damage for only having a 2 minute 10% mitigation buff.

The best utility is Peloton for MCH in dungeons and Alliances to get to the action faster.

Why hit 20 buttons when you only need to hit 3.

[ty_taurus]

Free Copium: The resistance to buffing the physical ranged and caster roles are because future raid tiers won't focus on massive hitboxes anymore and the fight design will return to using smaller hitboxes instead.