WAR is absolute trash

[yaba_gabagool]

I do and yes BLM builds significantly faster. BLM however does not completely remove the ability to use guard and isn't really bursty during their LB. WAR during LB can burst you down really fast if you do it right.

They can do one target at time. The power of BLM LB is that your aoe pressure on points goes up significantly especially with burn. That kind of pressure from war only comes from your team mates.

Unfortunately, war is just in a kind of bad place. I'd say white mage is a lot more threatening, survivable, and has just as much CC as war does at crucial junctures.

[george357]

same old angry drama queens trying to attenion by calling people names sure fire way not to get attenion from programmers their just turn a blind eye to you.so good luck with that.

[yaba_gabagool]

same old angry drama queens trying to attenion by calling people names sure fire way not to get attenion from programmers their just turn a blind eye to you.so good luck with that.

That's not how that works...

[Ransu]

They can do one target at time. The power of BLM LB is that your aoe pressure on points goes up significantly especially with burn. That kind of pressure from war only comes from your team mates.

Unfortunately, war is just in a kind of bad place. I'd say white mage is a lot more threatening, survivable, and has just as much CC as war does at crucial junctures.

Orogeny and primal rend hit pretty hard during LB which is how you basically burst during LB. I'll get 2 or 3 kills out of comboing primal rend into orogeny if people are stacked, especially if people are low on HP. Fell cleave is just finishing off single targets with the onslaught debuff.

WAR LB and BLM LB are two different types of pressure. It all comes down to how you utilize them. My main issue with WAR is the the fact that skills hurt you and you only have 1 defensive skill to really negate that barrier wise. If the HP loss wasn't applied or was reduced while bloodwhetting was up the job would be much much better.

[Dreadz]

I don't play WAR, don't even have it unlocked, but is the health drain on it's abilities that much of a nuisance? I don't get keep up with any tier lists, but I'd assume that WAR is still one of the best and most popular jobs in PvP. I mean DRK is a non-entity in a fight unless they're killing themselves, so I can't imagine WAR being worse than them.

[yaba_gabagool]

I don't play WAR, don't even have it unlocked, but is the health drain on it's abilities that much of a nuisance? I don't get keep up with any tier lists, but I'd assume that WAR is still one of the best and most popular jobs in PvP. I mean DRK is a non-entity in a fight unless they're killing themselves, so I can't imagine WAR being worse than them.

Dark is kinda boss in crystalline.


The HP drain is a big consideration. Your standard initiating and combo doing 30% of your total health just to use - - it's rough.

Not only that, the damage on war is low compared to GNB or Dark.

The only time I score kills is when I'm using full combo into a target with 40% or less health, and even then it's a coin flip.

I'd gladly trade away my moderately charging ult (you know, the one that you can't be CC'd in, yet you'll still get imp'd, dance ult'd, repear feared, or counter snipe ulted by the 1 of 4 classes with near instant kill LBs - mch, ninja, goon, maybe monk if the planets align) for a more consistent damage output that's higher than what it is now without having to kill myself to function.

Or you could just make our ult charge as fast as black mage, whatever, at this point (that would be broken). Well.. maybe not if you removed the shield removal ability (there are way too many right now) and just let war actually deal the most damage out of the tanks, or at least close to gunbreaker. That might be fun.

[Karasio]

I think if WAR's guard break didn't last 15 fucking seconds it wouldn't be nearly as bad. Knock it down to like 5 maybe, just enough to coordinate some burst with the team in return for lowering charge rate or something.

[Ransu]

@Dreadz, yes it's pretty bad. It's like 30% of your health if you use both orogeny and onslaught.

@Karasio, absolutely not. Their entire niche is their LB. Making it 5 seconds would be completely worthless.

[Elfidan]

The issue with the tank jobs is pretty universal in conflict. The skill ceiling is too high compared to the floor. A good warrior is like having another dps on your team that just CCs people a ton. a bad warrior is like playing a 4v5. Some of the other tanks are even worse.