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  1. #11
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    Canadane's Avatar
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    King Canadane
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    Hyperion
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    Quote Originally Posted by VictorSpoils View Post
    Shoulda nerfed Sephirot instead dangit.
    It kinda feels like they did, they just didn't mention it.
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  2. #12
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    Tira Mu
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    Raiden
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    Quote Originally Posted by FireMage View Post
    Careful, those goalposts are heavy. Imagine still fronting when proven wrong

    Not really, I admitted my numbers were wrong and said, I took those from another discussion I saw a while back, but your article says something different.

    But, that also doesn't mean my point was entirely wrong. 30% clearing high-end content at end game isn't a huge amount of the player base and they certainly aren't all high end raiders who concern themselves with this stuff. Also 20% vs 30% isn't a huge difference, at least, not enough to get noses bent out of shape over it.
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    Last edited by Tiramu; 09-14-2022 at 01:18 PM.
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  3. #13
    Player Ransu's Avatar
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    Raansu Omiyari
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    And I doubt even 5% of that 30% even clears in the first week let alone the first month. The majority of people raiding take most of the tier to clear everything. So ya my original comment stands. This crying over the HP nerf is literally nothing. They admitted they overturned it and it only effected the ost hard core groups.

    Mr. FireMage can pretend all he wants that raiding is super popular, but the reality is its pretty niche content, especially in ffxiv where the large majority of the player base doesn't really care about raids.
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  4. #14
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    Kachou Fuugetsu
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nezerius View Post
    You didn't need any numbers for them to "basically admit" that they made a mistake in playtesting P8S. They literally explained this in the patch notes that were made available shortly after the start of last night's maintenance.
    What they admitted to is 1%. So why they nerf 3% instead? Makes you think.
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  5. #15
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    Firemage Li
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    Gilgamesh
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ransu View Post
    And I doubt even 5% of that 30% even clears in the first week let alone the first month. The majority of people raiding take most of the tier to clear everything. So ya my original comment stands. This crying over the HP nerf is literally nothing. They admitted they overturned it and it only effected the ost hard core groups.

    Mr. FireMage can pretend all he wants that raiding is super popular, but the reality is its pretty niche content, especially in ffxiv where the large majority of the player base doesn't really care about raids.
    >Niche content

    >Half the player base does it

    Pick one. Can't have both
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  6. #16
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    Maric Ward
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    Lich
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    How can you say 3%, when they say 1%?
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  7. #17
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    Quote Originally Posted by Keichi View Post
    How can you say 3%, when they say 1%?
    Because thats what they did. Have you even entered the fight after the update? You should go see for yourself and tell me it is 3% or 1%.
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  8. #18
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    Kurenai Tenshi
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ransu View Post
    This seriously isn't that big of a deal....They overtuned it and fixed it. Ya'll need to calm down on this whole thing, especially when its only the 1% of the 1% that this even applies to. Most people wont see this fight for weeks.
    This is always such a disingenuous take. Poor job balance impacts the casual to midcore range significantly more than the 1%. PF is the wild west, dealing with general inconsistencies of players and varying skill levels. Only allowing specific jobs who are dwarfing their counterparts helps to mitigate this. Think about it, if a subpar Black Mage can rival a top tier Red Mage. Why wouldn't you want to lock the Caster spot to Black Mage? After all, you have a far higher chance of getting a subpar player while potentially lucking into someone better. It's only ever a benefit when the damage discrepancy is this bad. Hence why PF was locking Warrior and Paladin out of P8. They simply offer nothing Dark Knight and Gunbreaker don't do better even if the latter two are only average players.
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  9. #19
    Player Ransu's Avatar
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    Raansu Omiyari
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    Quote Originally Posted by FireMage View Post
    >Niche content

    >Half the player base does it

    Pick one. Can't have both
    30% isn't half of the player base.
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  10. #20
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    Marcelloix Ostoiraint
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    3%

    well this topic is going nowhere really fast time to leave and let it burn/
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