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[Absurdity]

They've had the opportunity to make that happen now, as at the end of 6.0 we say goodbye to everyone and everyone will do what they want with life, but as soon as 6.1 starts you realize that nothing has changed. The truth is, just as they're afraid of making the twins grow up, they're afraid of discarding characters. This has caused most of the problems I see in the story, that and the part of making it VERY dramatic.

This was probably one of the most jarring things, we say our goodbyes to the Scions at the end of Endwalker but almost immediately afterwards meet back up again which just cheapens that entire part of the ending.

And I bet it would be even more jarring if I played through that part of the MSQ right now because there's no 4 month break between 6.0 and 6.1

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

This was probably one of the most jarring things, we say our goodbyes to the Scions at the end of Endwalker but almost immediately afterwards meet back up again which just cheapens that entire part of the ending.

And I bet it would be even more jarring if I played through that part of the MSQ right now because there's no 4 month break between 6.0 and 6.1

It was implied even before they all started doing that that the crystal could restore them. Yshtola said it herself.

[Absurdity]

It was implied even before they all started doing that that the crystal could restore them. Yshtola said it herself.

While I wasn't a fan of that whole self sacrifice with 0 consequences either because no amount of "justification" makes this not cheap, we're talking about two completely different things.

I'm talking about the Scions disbanding at the end of 6.0 and everyone going their separate ways, but immediately after we meet back up with them.

[Kes13a]

While I wasn't a fan of that whole self sacrifice with 0 consequences either because no amount of "justification" makes this not cheap, we're talking about two completely different things.

I'm talking about the Scions disbanding at the end of 6.0 and everyone going their separate ways, but immediately after we meet back up with them.

thing is, the "disbanding" was just so the leaders of Eorzea would stop calling on them to solve all their problems. it was never going to be a "goodbye, never see you again" kind of thing. they were still going to be around, but the only way to get off the speed dial was to dissolve the scions and appear to go about their separate ways. its nice to be the only fire brigade in Eorzea.. but the leaders need to hire their own fire brigade, not always run to us.

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

thing is, the "disbanding" was just so the leaders of Eorzea would stop calling on them to solve all their problems. it was never going to be a "goodbye, never see you again" kind of thing. they were still going to be around, but the only way to get off the speed dial was to dissolve the scions and appear to go about their separate ways. its nice to be the only fire brigade in Eorzea.. but the leaders need to hire their own fire brigade, not always run to us.

Everyone seems to ignore that part where they say "were disbanding!" and in literally the next sentence "at least, officially".

Like, it was never a "were never doing anything as a group ever again" implication.

[Adamantini]

Everyone seems to ignore that part where they say "were disbanding!" and in literally the next sentence "at least, officially".

Like, it was never a "were never doing anything as a group ever again" implication.

(...) that and the part of making it VERY dramatic.

The problem isn't the people, it's the writers. They wanted to make everything so dramatic, they put more emphasis on the "we're leaving" part, and forgot the "will never change a thing" part.

[aveyond-dreams]

The problem isn't the people, it's the writers. They wanted to make everything so dramatic, they put more emphasis on the "we're leaving" part, and forgot the "will never change a thing" part.

Before continuing to engage with that poster, I would remind those present of one of their more recent comments:

You guys love to cherry pick even more than i do, and I'm a master at it.

Needless to say, I do not think they are contributing to the discussion in a productive way.

All I know is that I am firmly opposed to Krile joining the main party and bringing back the Scions for 7.0. It is time to get bold, get creative, and revamp the cast. Zero was a step in the right direction despite her issues that I've touched on previously, but there is little to look forward to with Vtra and the rest of the party at the moment. Picking the Scions up again would be more detrimental than beneficial at this point.

It is time to start anew.

[Midareyukki]

Everyone seems to ignore that part where they say "were disbanding!" and in literally the next sentence "at least, officially".

Like, it was never a "were never doing anything as a group ever again" implication.

The problem isn't the people, it's the writers. They wanted to make everything so dramatic, they put more emphasis on the "we're leaving" part, and forgot the "will never change a thing" part.

The thing with this moment is that they could have given the overarching story a rest. Retirement isn't something that these clearly young characters would do, they're drawn to adventure. But their major overarching adventure is over. Their characters have been developped. They've all underwent a change that feels somewhat satisfying. Characters that haven't have been added in too recently, and thus don't have any solid footing in the group yet (G'raha) or have been one-note without being properly explored (Krile).

And this is fine. FF11 would add in new characters for you to meet and group up with, and we honestly have really good candidates from other pieces of content:
- The Garleans and their efforts to rebuild and reform.
- Their former conquered states who've since acted out in rebellion.
- Bozja and Dalmasca, whose story got sidelined at the end.
- Literally where did Ultima the High Seraph even come from?
- Sharlayan becoming a new hub where adventures are given to the Warrior of Light due to there being a more open world without the scions being the major liaison
- The New World and all the stuff that could come out of it
- The First having new adventures (we still don't know what the hell the NieR Raids were about other than giving Yoko Taro his moment)
- Even the newest story of Radz at Hahn and getting us to know a bit more of the rest of the First Brood is a wonderful candidate.
- Including the foray into other Worlds. Would have been great to see more of Cyella, Taynor and Unukalhai than just random figures in a pub

And each of these could add new characters for us to interact with and allow them to become permanent. Again, FF11 did this, it's how we got Prishe and Iroha.

We don't have to "retire" the Scions, but at least give some characters whose arcs are finished a good rest, expand on those who need further expanding, and introduce new ones.
At this rate we're either going to tire the Scions out or we're going to see them become something else completely different.

This is an expansive world with a lot of stuff to explore. We can rely on the former Scions, no one ever said otherwise. They don't need to "die" for there to be anything new. But it's as though we have to constantly deal with Sharlayan kids despite having only set foot in Sharlayan nearly a decade after our adventure began... We could do so much better, but no, let's keep feeding this Sharlayan bias.

[Theodric]

Everyone seems to ignore that part where they say "were disbanding!" and in literally the next sentence "at least, officially".

Like, it was never a "were never doing anything as a group ever again" implication.

They're not ignoring it. What they're suggesting is that they were watching the cutscene, Alphinaud announced the disbanding of the Scions and that caused elation for a decent amount of us who were eager to see the story move on from the Scions. That the decision was reversed five seconds later does not negate those initial feelings.

In itself, the game likes to dangle potential consequences as a 'shocker' but then immediately reverse them which is becoming stale to some of us.

[Skivvy]

They're not ignoring it. What they're suggesting is that they were watching the cutscene, Alphinaud announced the disbanding of the Scions and that caused elation for a decent amount of us who were eager to see the story move on from the Scions. That the decision was reversed five seconds later does not negate those initial feelings.

In itself, the game likes to dangle potential consequences as a 'shocker' but then immediately reverse them which is becoming stale to some of us.

If people are still using the excuse of "but the scions disbanded" as an argument for anything, then I'd say they are clearly ignoring what the actual MSQ plainly told them.

I have plenty of complaints about the writing in this game, especially when it comes to all the fake-outs and nonconsequential actions, but that doesn't change the fact that the Scions haven't disbanded. :X


As to the topic, I'm not really a fan of Krile as she seems kinda...dull. But to be fair, I skipped most of HW & SB, and maybe she shined more in those xpacs.