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    Korbei's Avatar
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    Korbei Korobei
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hurlstone View Post
    Well we have Hydaelyns Ward/The Echo, multiple Job crystals, plus Dynamis now to add into the stew of our character. We certainly hold advantages over most adventures and side character of the story for sure. In the end though, we are basically as strong as the writer for the story wants us to be.
    Actually very little of that matters. Hundreds or thousands of other adventurers also have the Blessing of Light. Including the Warriors of Light from the First. Most characters with the Echo are not particularly powerful by comparison.

    The player character is, even before starting the game, 7 times rejoined. Your character is over halfway to being fully unsundered. This isn't true of all denizens of the Source. By the end of Shadowbringers, you are 8 times rejoined. Somewhere in the Thirteenth there may lurk a 9th.

    Then add to that, the Blessing of Light, the collected crystals of light, soul stones. By modern mortal standards, the WoL is deific.
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    Player SentioftheHoukai's Avatar
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    Nyx Deorum
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    Quote Originally Posted by Korbei View Post
    Actually very little of that matters. Hundreds or thousands of other adventurers also have the Blessing of Light. Including the Warriors of Light from the First. Most characters with the Echo are not particularly powerful by comparison.

    The player character is, even before starting the game, 7 times rejoined. Your character is over halfway to being fully unsundered. This isn't true of all denizens of the Source. By the end of Shadowbringers, you are 8 times rejoined. Somewhere in the Thirteenth there may lurk a 9th.

    Then add to that, the Blessing of Light, the collected crystals of light, soul stones. By modern mortal standards, the WoL is deific.
    I never quite understood the justification for WHY we seem to be the only soul on the Planet that is Rejoined like that. Aside from "plot convenience", was that ever explained?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cleretic View Post
    The Ascians seemed to think it mattered.

    We kicked their asses pretty soundly. If anything it seems like there's a negative correlation, the more fragmented-down souls seem to have an edge in at least the initial fights. (Or, more likely, it doesn't actually correlate to any meaningful level.)
    I'm not even remotely convinced of this, to be perfectly honest. Seems to me the only thing "beyond" the Ancients is Dynamis, and even that is arguably a stretch. Take Dynamis out of the equation, and Unsundered Souls and Creation Magicks trump those without in nearly every instance. The narrative outlined it as near godlike power for a reason, so as far as pure power levels are concerned it's clear the Unsundered are the superior combatants and win that fight. We won against the Ascians Three because the power of plot demanded we do so. Even Emet-Selch says so, he could have just killed us as we remained blissfully unaware of his presence.
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    Last edited by SentioftheHoukai; 09-08-2022 at 04:16 AM. Reason: It needed doing. What would you have me do, let the issue fester?

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    Tal Young
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    Quote Originally Posted by SentioftheHoukai View Post
    I'm not even remotely convinced of this, to be perfectly honest. Seems to me the only thing "beyond" the Ancients is Dynamis, and even that is arguably a stretch. Take Dynamis out of the equation, and Unsundered Souls and Creation Magicks trump those without in nearly every instance. The narrative outlined it as near godlike power for a reason, so as far as pure power levels are concerned it's clear the Unsundered are the superior combatants and win that fight. We won against the Ascians Three because the power of plot demanded we do so. Even Emet-Selch says so, he could have just killed us as we remained blissfully unaware of his presence.
    Beyond creating weapons, the Unsundered don't actually seem to use creation magic in combat. Their normal go-to for combat is to create a staff, or sword, or bow, or whatever, and then fight in much the same manner as the sundered do, albeit it with larger reserves of aether.

    The fanciest thing we've seen is changing their own form, which has resulted in some pretty tough fights, but not insurmountably so.
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