Why does SE want to force us to downgrade our gear?

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

.. except for DoW/DoM retainers. What a DoW/DoM retainer can bring back and how much of it they bring back is determined entirely by average iLvl, without regard for whether it is HQ or what stats it even has.

But that's not really part of the discussion. And you can just give them your own old gear.

[Absurdity]

But that's not really part of the discussion. And you can just give them your own old gear.

It is also just flat out wrong. What a gathering retainer can bring back depends on the gathering stat that it has and how much it brings back depends on how much perception it has, so gear stats absolutely matter for retainers.


https://ffxiv.gamerescape.com/wiki/Mining_Exploration
This shows you how much gathering is required for the retainer to get the material in the first place and how much perception the retainer needs to bring back certain amounts of a material.

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

It is also just flat out wrong. What a gathering retainer can bring back depends on the gathering stat that it has and how much it brings back depends on how much perception it has, so gear stats absolutely matter for retainers.

They said dow/m, not doh

[Absurdity]

They said dow/m, not doh

Ah, my bad, nevermind then. In that case they are correct that only the itemlevel matters.

[dapperfaffer]

That's how nq has worked since 2013.

Never buy nq gear.

buy it for the cheaper glamour option, though. some of that gear is nice.

[BaconBits]

buy it for the cheaper glamour option, though. some of that gear is nice.

NGL I was eyeballing the new crafted scouting top, and it looks perfect for yet another Assassin's Creed glam for me.

[Fawkes]

Just to illustrate what everyone is trying to explain to you...



I had to look around the MB on my world to find someone selling a piece of nq i610 gear. Top comparison is my HQ 590 compared to NQ 610. Bottom is HQ 590 compared to HQ 610. That should speak for itself.

Sheesh. The NQ really ought to not be 610.

Really what's even the point of the NQ existing just make the craft fail if it doesn't HQ.

[Silverbane]

It is also just flat out wrong. What a gathering retainer can bring back depends on the gathering stat that it has and how much it brings back depends on how much perception it has, so gear stats absolutely matter for retainers.

For DoH, yes, which is why my L90 DoH retainers are all in HQ Pactmakers gear with additional Gathering Materia melded in. For DoW/DoH, not at all.

The Garland Tools Database at https://www.garlandtools.org/ will tell you how many of each item a venture will give you according to iLevel or Gathering stat. For example:

• search for "Dynamis Crystal," open it, go to "Sources and Uses", click "Venture," you'll see a DoW/DoM retainer needs iLevel 573 on to get the max (15) from one venture, or
• search for Sideritis Leaves, and do the same, you'll see a DoL retainer needs Gathering 3936 to get the max (50) from one venture.

Discussion of further details probably belong in the DoH/DoL forums.

[Silverbane]

Really what's even the point of the NQ existing just make the craft fail if it doesn't HQ.

Long ago, it was difficult to make top-end HQ gear. You couldn't macro it reliably (you can now), and it needed a bit of luck. Plus getting the required materials together was a struggle.

NQ gear is a holdover from those days.

[NekoMataMata]

Sheesh. The NQ really ought to not be 610.

Really what's even the point of the NQ existing just make the craft fail if it doesn't HQ.

People would probably be really upset at that point. At least you can desynth the NQ items or turn them in for seals(hence why there's so few on the MB when I looked). It's a step above just losing everything. I assume it would drive people insane if they couldn't do that since starting endgame crafting is already miserable due to you having to play the slots with overmelds.