Tales from Duty Finder: Some make you laugh, some make you cry. Let's vent. 2.0

[NekoMataMata]

I'm a tank that sometimes pulls with provoke. Usually because of it's long range so that everything in the pull is coming close enough together to be hit by an AoE right away, rather than waiting for them to get close enough/use my ranged attack as we keep running to try and get them off the healer/DPS that is attacking while we are running to the second group(I still tend to do the ranged attack on the way, but when someone is further back, it makes it harder to get that mob)

Most tanks have dashes at level 54ish+ though. Below that it doesn't really matter if you're using your enmity projectile mixed with aoes to collect the mobs by manually running up, but once you get your dash you should be rushing in.

The reason I see it as important is because provoke is very easy to pop once you're mid pull to peel stray mobs off the rest of your party if necessary while you continue to do your thing. Also the slightly higher range on provoke is nice for using it to peel because you can keep running ahead of your party and continuing to collect the pull.

[Tiramu]

I tend to be pretty laid back, so I don't tend to get upset at stuff. I only ask that players join my groups in good faith, and listen to advice. If we wipe, and it takes a while to get through content, then it's all good, provided everyone is cool. Same for me too, give me advice if I'm messing up and don't act like a pleb if I don't grasp something new right away.

I only have a few negative stories:

My first attempt at Ramuh Extreme (Synced) was more stressful than it needed to be. I prefer to blind content if at all possible and wanted to do it synced, but struggled to find a synced group who would accept a blind player. So I checked a guide for the essentials, joined a group, explained that it was my first extreme trial, and had checked a guide. All good they said.

I kept getting caught in mechanics, so I was asking questions and trying to figure out what was going on. It's hectic and playing WHM there was a lot to keep check on. After 3 wipes the group leader accused me of lying about reading a guide, which put a sour taste in my mouth and asked me to switch to another job or leave. From the chat I believe they had been going for a few hours, so I get that they were tired, but it felt uncalled-for and if a group has been going for some time then it's usually symptomatic of a broader problem. None the less I did, we ran a few more runs and the mechanics were starting to set in, we were doing fairly well. Then during one run I got some lag and seemed to get the boot.

It made me feel quite insecure about running high end content, but decided to form a group the next day. Discounting getting trolled by 3 players who deliberately wiped us, we cleared him synced with no echo in a few runs - it was surprisingly clean too considering there were a few new players learning the mechanics as we went. Then we went and blind ran Shiva Extreme clearing her in 4 runs. Which goes to show, a little patience with people is all that's needed.

[Cincierta]

Dear DRKs,

Is it truly that hard to use your mitigations, especially TBN, in 90 content? Even when you mass pull? It's just one button. One single button that reduces your damage taken so you don't immediately explode, and gets your SCH to love you more?

Got out of a Smileton run earlier where the DRK was severely allergic to using TBN, along with other cooldowns, in mass pulls and even on bosses. Occasionally they'd pop one AFTER MOST OF THE MOBS IN THE GROUP WERE DEAD. I only saw TBN get popped twice the entire run. Most pulls I ended up throwing in the kitchen sink just to sustain his squishy self.

Also, tanks, if you ever get O12, for the love of god separate Omega-M and F. Twice we wiped because the PLD decided he wanted to get jiggy with two of them and didn't want the DRK to pull the other away, thereby wiping us to Enhanced Meteor. Third near wipe we pleaded with both tanks to separate them before they got buffed, and thank god they finally listened.

I've set my bar of expectations quite low for random tanks in DF and I'm still left disappointed.

Sincerely,

Your local SCH healer just trying to get their daily tomes

[SturmChurro]

Now that's pretty embarrassing.. Since I had to redo all my bars and hotkeys for my classes, I only recently set up PLD again, and I wasn't very used to the class like I am WHM, DNC, RDM, etc.. to where I can just easily put everything back as they should be. I used the wrong skill trying to turn on tank stance, so I didn't have tank stance on for the first pull initially - I did notice quickly though, and looked back down at my bar and turned it on. Later on, I went into a bit of autopilot, and briefly forgot that I moved my stance onto a hotkey that I had previously used for one of my DPS skills.. I think I was turning my stance on and off briefly, until I realized my error.. This was during a boss fight, so it's not like I was going to lose threat, but it probably looked really bad. Also, definitely lost out on a little bit of DPS.

[Liam_Harper]

Edit: Just ran into something better. Ultimate Legend Sage that doesn't know their class nor do they know WoD mechs. Raid was really rough anyways but I just laughed at them dying to a couple of the mechs on their own(prior to tanks fighting over aggro).

Ultimate raids are not WoD. I main sage and have cleared Ultimate and I honestly don't have a clue what half the Alliance raids do because I nearly always run other content and don't need the roulette.

I avoid Alliance like the plague because I'm well aware people like yourself exist who laugh at and ridicule non-sprout players for not doing a flawless run on their first few times. That's honestly far more stress than a Savage or Ultimate where it's steady prog with like-minded players and mistakes are for learning from. Grow up.

[Iyrnthota]

Ultimate raids are not WoD. I main sage and have cleared Ultimate and I honestly don't have a clue what half the Alliance raids do because I nearly always run other content and don't need the roulette.

I avoid Alliance like the plague because I'm well aware people like yourself exist who laugh at and ridicule non-sprout players for not doing a flawless run on their first few times. That's honestly far more stress than a Savage or Ultimate where it's steady prog with like-minded players and mistakes are for learning from. Grow up.

Being brutally honest, I find it very difficult to believe someone who has cleared an ultimate would find any of the alliance raids stressful.
Even WoD before the recent clarity updates was a breeze to anyone who has done basically any other content in the game before.

The obvious solution to not knowing what to do is, much like progging an ultimate, to run it until you learn the mechanics. And there are far less, and far simpler mechanics in WoD that in any ultimate.

[Raoabolic]

Being brutally honest, I find it very difficult to believe someone who has cleared an ultimate would find any of the alliance raids stressful.
Even WoD before the recent clarity updates was a breeze to anyone who has done basically any other content in the game before.

The obvious solution to not knowing what to do is, much like progging an ultimate, to run it until you learn the mechanics. And there are far less, and far simpler mechanics in WoD that in any ultimate.

You don't understand. The chains were ACROSS the room! lol
Though you do have to admit that there are one or two mechanics in WoD that can wreck you if you are not paying attention (Hound out of hell and the Atmos thing if the other PTs are not keeping up with their button pressing).

[Iyrnthota]

You don't understand. The chains were ACROSS the room! lol
Though you do have to admit that there are one or two mechanics in WoD that can wreck you if you are not paying attention (Hound out of hell and the Atmos thing if the other PTs are not keeping up with their button pressing).

Oh absolutely, and I'll be the first to admit that I get myself killed repeatedly in araids I've ran before, due to greed or just switching my brain off and not paying attention. It's just not that difficult to figure out what killed me, or how I killed me.

[Rilifane]

Being brutally honest, I find it very difficult to believe someone who has cleared an ultimate would find any of the alliance raids stressful.
Even WoD before the recent clarity updates was a breeze to anyone who has done basically any other content in the game before.

The obvious solution to not knowing what to do is, much like progging an ultimate, to run it until you learn the mechanics. And there are far less, and far simpler mechanics in WoD that in any ultimate.

But then again, why would someone do that? Just to please strangers that see a Legend title and are ready to mentally ridicule them for failing something?
If someone is not interested in that type of content, why push learning it? I ran Aglaia a few times for the coin and apart from that I don't care about alliance raids, I don't even do the roulette. So why should I run it until I learned when I don't plan to participate in the content? I'll probably notice what killed me after failing something but what's done is done, I already failed it and if I don't plan on running it repeatedly it's unlikely to stick.

[Iyrnthota]

But then again, why would someone do that? Just to please strangers that see a Legend title and are ready to mentally ridicule them for failing something?
If someone is not interested in that type of content, why push learning it? I ran Aglaia a few times for the coin and apart from that I don't care about alliance raids, I don't even do the roulette. So why should I run it until I learned when I don't plan to participate in the content? I'll probably notice what killed me after failing something but what's done is done, I already failed it and if I don't plan on running it repeatedly it's unlikely to stick.

I ain't here to police what content someone does or does not do. They're free to avoid them completely if they so choose.

I'm just pointing out the clear discrepancy between someone who has the skill to prog an ultimate but is stressed by araid mechanics.
Any skills used to clear an ultimate are directly transferable to any of the araids, and the araids are far simpler by comparison.

It's like clearing a new EX week 1 but avoiding Expert roulette cause failing the dungeon mechanics stresses you out too much. I just can't fathom it.