Do people on these forums only complain endlessly?

[Midareyukki]

Heck, I have seen people say that art commissions posted on Reddit and Twitter are a symptom of its toxic positivity and that just seems… bonkers to me.

Are they all very stoned?

Interesting! Funnily enough of the people I know who play and have beaten Endwalker, they have all said they loved the story haha. I think individually we will all get different reactions like from our own circles.

Do keep in mind. Feeling displeased doesn't necessarily mean "utterly exhasperated and performing blood curses on the dev team". All of my friends save for exactly one say that they loved the story. Regardless of any further implication, bc past that you have the usual "but it felt rushed"\"but some moments were utterly tedious". The one that didn't like the story only plays the game for the gameplay and wants nothing to do with its plot, but that's the exception, not the norm. She's... peculiar.

Plus, we are talking about lore here. Whilst story is more important here to the game then in other MMOs, I suspect more players (Not us, story and lore is why I play haha) are concerned about getting their voices heard on things like job balances, new gameplay modes, race features, housing etc.

There are. And my personal displeasure doesn't come from a story I consider to be good, even if it has creases. It comes from racial aspects. But even so, they don't deter me from playing the race. They do interfere in my enjoyment of my character, but it just shows that I like the content enough to support it.

True enough. I think there are many people on both sides of the debate that want to debate these things in more civil manner, but it does not take long for such issues to fall into a barrage of veiled insults and false narratives. I personally feel its often weighed in one direction more then the other here, but like you said, we can only know where people stand on these things in a limited way.

I know it's easy for people to point the flaws. Rarely ever is it easy to point to the stuff you like without the flaws weeding in. But admitting that is healthy. And once you accept that, then you can say "but apart from all that, my enjoyment of the game has been this". And "this" is usually positive, which is what the crushing majority of players in the community feel, regardless of whether they're exhasperated by one aspect or two of the game. As a whole, the game is enjoyable.

But just because it's enjoyable it doesn't mean it cannot be improved upon, and that should not be stifled. So many good things only exist because fans brought attention to them.
And just because some stuff needs improvement, it does not mean that it's the end of the world and that anyone who tries to rein you back in is blindly defending the devs.

[Rufalus]

Grains of salt with my complaints because I've played this game more hours than any other by far, so it must have done a lot of things right. It just hasn't grown with me and I wish I had any influence at all to shape its direction into something that continues to excite me personally. They just aren't ever going to change the formula, are they? Same format every expansion no matter what we say. Linear story dungeon every 2 levels etc, you know the routine.

[VelKallor]

can be attributed to devoted players rushing to stifle any negative criticism whatsoever.

Its funny you say that, because the Blizzard mods on their forums are the ones stifling discussion, banning people for comments they dont like, and in more than a few occasions, banning certain people over and over in a vendetta. Example: player is asked by a forum CM to repost a commentary by another player, Blizzard mod then bans that person for 3 days , for 'spamming".

The fact that he had been asked to do so wasnt exactly noted, and that "ban" was lifted AFTER 3 days with a "sorry, oops my bad.."

Blizzard is given tons of constructive feedback.............yet listens to NONE OF IT.

It is an absolute truth that, on the WOW forums, were you to write a 4 page article with useful, well considered feedback, theorycrafting..post it, come back three days later and you will find it BURIED on page three with no acknowedgement...but, hey look, on page one you will find a Blizzard CM gushing on how CUTE pink gnome hair is.

Blizzard listens to no one, wont listen, wont learn. Unlike here, their communication is NON EXISTENT.

I am all for discussion in every form, and encourage it. The claim that outside of here the story was "received badly" is utterly laughable, given the massive wave of positive, glowing reviews and we are talking virtually every gaming magazine and website.

Using that same "received poorly" claim where the playerbase is concerned, is even more ridiculous when you consider that, on my datacentre?

Ask 100 people if they enjoyed the story for Endwalker? you will get 100 separate answers. None the same.

So no, there is no "broad sweep of players" there is no "consensus"....

"Infinite are the arguments of mages" pales into obscurity next to the diversity of views from gamers worldwide.

[Jirah]

Gonna sound ironic but Can we let this post die? It does nothing but aggravate others and poses literally no purpose and isn’t even game related, just some shill angry that people have opinions.

[Dubolomus]

Sorry, but in my opinion some people confuse the concepts of "like the character" and "agree with the character". Here is an old Soviet film "Koshchei the Immortal"




This is Koschei and the main character. Koschei is a memorable character played by the wonderful actor Millar. Hero, in my opinion, is an ordinary one. But no matter how much I like Miller's character, I sympathize with the Hero.

Sorry for the bad English.

[Axxion]

You say, while using polls from GameFaqs and Reddit to help with your daily fallacious appeal to majority.
If you want to dismiss a 600 hundred page thread as a complete outlier in your stats, you'd have to admit that the same could be said of many of your own sources and completely made up numbers (Weren't you the clown who, only a few days ago talked about how 95% of players agreed with whatever your stance of the moment was?)
Or you adopt the more reasonable, less hypocritical stance that each social media platform, this one included, represents a certain demographic of players. Square Enix themselves certainly seem to believe that the forums represent something since in some cases (the Hrothgar hairstyle drama), they directly came here to ask the opinion of the playerbase. Not on reddit. Not on gamefaqs. Here.

sadly to say thats there mo

[Kozh]

Endwalker was the perfect climax to 10 years of buildup. Just because you wanted ZODIARK TRANCE to be real doesn't mean the writing is bad.

The writing is already bad regardless if I want zodiark trance to be real or not /shrug

Also, good job taking it out of context.

It's literally just fanfiction. Lahabrea and the ascians ticket the warriors on the first, no hydaelyn. Lmao. It's so bad.

Yeah no sh*t Sherlock. 4D chess move from you, gg.

Heh, seeing you seething and losing your chill when Lauront call you out is so funny. Thanks for the entertainment.

[Striker44]

You say, while using polls from GameFaqs and Reddit to help with your daily fallacious appeal to majority.

It's not "fallacious" if it's completely true. I love how there's evidently dozens of sites that are filled with "toxic positivity" where people profusely praise the game and don't accept anything negative, there's this one site here where negativity reigns, and somehow it must be a myth that people far and away are enjoying the game. Truly impressive delusions there; just deny every shred of evidence that doesn't fit your view, eh?

(Weren't you the clown who, only a few days ago talked about how 95% of players agreed with whatever your stance of the moment was?)

I have absolutely no clue what you're talking about. When you need to make stuff up out of thin air to attack someone, it serves only as tacit admittance that you can't actually refute them.

If you want to dismiss a 600 hundred page thread as a complete outlier in your stats

As mentioned, in and of itself it's meaningless. Look at the thread and you'll see the same people posting over and over, some of whom don't even agree with the title. Heck, I could make a post saying "Cats are better than dogs," go back and forth agreeing with someone about how cats are cooler, have a few people join in saying dogs are better, and say "Look! There's a whole bunch of responses in thread titled "cats are better," therefore they must be!" Yes, relying on your one thread is foolish and meaningless.

Square Enix themselves certainly seem to believe that the forums represent something since in some cases (the Hrothgar hairstyle drama), they directly came here to ask the opinion of the playerbase. Not on reddit. Not on gamefaqs. Here.

Of course they did. Because naturally a company will ask a question on its own forums. Blizzard gets lambasted left and right for their tendency to post on Twitter instead of their own forums. And this forum does have some useful, actual constructive criticism. I've posted some myself. Specific threads like the one you mention are a good example. It's just the exception compared to the cesspool of negativity that pervades many other threads.

And that's rich. Let's ignore all of those other websites that show EW, the Scions, etc. are very popular. Let's ignore that we say Venat has a huge fanbase of diehard supporters who accept nothing negative to be said. But let's take the one place on the internet that trends negative and claim it's the only "legitimate" one. No polls count except the ones I like! When did Trump enter the chat?

[AwesomeJr44]

You say, while using polls from GameFaqs and Reddit to help with your daily fallacious appeal to majority.

Kazhar, you're not respecting his majoritah! He's in the majoritah and thus must be respected as he speaks for the great majoritah of players out there in the aether. The majoritah's word is law and we must respect his opinion! Shame on you for disrespecting the majoritah. Shame.

It's not "fallacious" if it's completely true.

You poor majoritah, did the mean majoritah-disrespecting Hrothgar man hurt your feeling of superioritah? Don't worry, for you are the majoritah and no matter what he says, you must indeed be correct for you are the majoritah.

[Lauront]

Let's ignore that we say Venat has a huge fanbase of diehard supporters who accept nothing negative to be said.

The way you describe it, a certain word comes to mind. Ah yes - cult. Those are well known for being able to assess a product on its objective merits. Though I don't think anyone would deny this game has some very cultish fans. As I am sure you can vouch for from your own personal experience in that capacity.