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  1. #21
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    Nezerius's Avatar
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    Rintha Elenah
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shibi View Post
    Honestly, I think they put too much stead in those old sprite-based games from last century.

    As an example, all that alphascape/deltascape stuff in the Omega story is still mega-confusing to me.

    I can deal with a bunch of hopping televisions and a braindead click-spam mechanic, but we are we fighting on a train with ghosts one moment then some clown with a statue the next? What does this have to do with the WoL again?
    Not really sure what you find mega-confusing about the Omega story. The first cutscene inside the Interdimensonal Rift already establishes that Omega is searching for the strongest opponent, and that he has recreated candidates from various dimensions. That's really all there is to it.
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  2. #22
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    Elmind Exilus
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    Quote Originally Posted by RyuDragnier View Post
    It's actually not boring, since we know what they were like, we just don't know how they're going to be in FF14. An example, we knew about Golbez, but we didn't know how he was going to be portrayed here, or what his plans are. Yes, he had a pet dragon, but he in FFIV also had a multitude of other things dealing with him that haven't popped up yet here. When they use these characters, they often throw curveballs. Such as Greg and Jim in the Hildibrand questline.
    I'll add, for some of us, it's been years (decades even) since we played games like FFIV. It's one of my favorites in the series, but I completely forgot Golbez even had a dragon. I probably played that game when I was like 12 or something. I remember Golbez, the Four Fiends, the Moon, the music, etc., but I'm sure there's tons of stuff I don't remember.

    The Return to Ivalice raids could have definitely done a better job of introducing the lore to the player, but I still find it hard to believe that the story of Bozja was apparently so unpopular that it warranted such a hasty conclusion. Whether they obtained such feedback from Final Fantasy fans who came here for a rich world and story or those who endlessly like and retweet pictures of the scions without being very invested in FFXIV's actual world remains a mystery.
    Rather condescending to think liking and tweeting pictures is somehow mutually exclusive with being invested in FFXIV's world. Or does someone only count as "invested" if they share your specific views or desires for it?
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  3. #23
    Player Darthgummibear's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rolder50 View Post
    I wonder how many people play FF14 while never having touched another FF game, cause I'm one of them.
    Same here for the most part. I hadn't even played FF7 until a couple months ago. The last FF game I played before this was 2 or 3, on the SNES back in the 90's. If they dropped any of the characters from that game in here I wouldn't have a clue who they were.

    The new content is cool and all, but the gravity of the individual characters is completely lost on me because I have no idea who any of them are. What's even worse is there's a side quest you do after the fact that gives insight into these character's origins. A freaking side quest. This is the kind of thing that should have been part of the msq, and BEFORE you go after and kill them. This is storytelling 101, the whole thing felt completely backwards.
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  4. #24
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    Raogrimm Ironfist
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    I really wish THIS would pop up every time you started XIV. It would be funny!
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  5. #25
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    Aurelie Moonsong
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    Quote Originally Posted by Adamantini View Post
    We killed 2 villains that I wouldn't even know who they are until other people inform me that they are FFIV characters. They appeared so little, and died so quickly, that honestly to me who had never seen them before, it made them look like they were weak. (and I found that DG is also based elsewhere in the franchise)
    They got about as much characterisation in the original game as they get here.


    Quote Originally Posted by Shibi View Post
    As an example, all that alphascape/deltascape stuff in the Omega story is still mega-confusing to me.

    I can deal with a bunch of hopping televisions and a braindead click-spam mechanic, but we are we fighting on a train with ghosts one moment then some clown with a statue the next? What does this have to do with the WoL again?
    I haven't played the games they're referencing in Omega either, so I don't "get it", but I don't mind it too much in that context because it's a short-term confusion. I don't get why we're on a train, but I also don't need to comprehend why we're on a train to follow the story. All the important continuity stuff happens outside of the battles.
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  6. #26
    Player Hurlstone's Avatar
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    Valamist Hurlstone
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    Quote Originally Posted by Darthgummibear View Post

    The new content is cool and all, but the gravity of the individual characters is completely lost on me because I have no idea who any of them are. What's even worse is there's a side quest you do after the fact that gives insight into these character's origins. A freaking side quest. This is the kind of thing that should have been part of the msq, and BEFORE you go after and kill them. This is storytelling 101, the whole thing felt completely backwards.
    I did the MSQ ASAP on patch day, and I only just found out today that that sidequest even existed! Sure we get a hint towards it at the end of 6.2, but it really feels like it should have been signposted more.

    In a perfect world they should have sprinkled such infor in the MSQ, but I can kinda understand why they put it after the event. I feel that the fact said characters are from FF4 is causing people to make them out as more lore-important then they are. In the context of FFXIV and the overall story the 6.x patches seem to be telling, they are just stepping stones leading to the actual important plot character that is Golbez. The fact that we actually get really interesting histories of what are kinda glorifyed roadblocks so far is a great boon. Like I said above, I just wish that it had better signposting.
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    Last edited by Hurlstone; 09-02-2022 at 01:37 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rolder50 View Post
    I wonder how many people play FF14 while never having touched another FF game, cause I'm one of them.
    I'm in this base.
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  8. #28
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rolder50 View Post
    I wonder how many people play FF14 while never having touched another FF game, cause I'm one of them.

    I've only played the original nintendo Final Fantasy, the Secret of Mana, and FFXIV.

    I admit this has caused some misunderstandings on my part. One time I even complained about viera gear being nothing but "chainmail bikinis for Frazetta fans" not knowing the gear was a reference to Fran, a character from another FF franchise. *embarrassed*
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    Last edited by Kacho_Nacho; 09-02-2022 at 05:39 PM.

  9. #29
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    Quote Originally Posted by Infindox View Post
    A lot. Of my friend group/fc members, none of them were really into FF before starting. Since playing some of them have played some games, but they usually rely on me to explain the references lol.
    I haven't really played any of the other FF games (one on Nintendo DS I think.. when I was a kid), so I don't really have the nostalgia others have, no idea on most references. Apparently, the new storyline is reusing characters from another game? Archfiends? Golbez? I just know what I have skimmed from the forums. Neither have I done the story after EW, or would I know who any of the same named characters would be. It's part of the reason I stay out of a lot of the story discussions for this game.
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    Last edited by SturmChurro; 09-02-2022 at 05:56 PM.
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    I decided to position FFXIV as a fan service title
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