Do people on these forums only complain endlessly?

[ElenaRedoran]

Another day, another General thread seething about Venat.

Precisely! Based take.

Just to be clear, I was talking about Emet-Selch/the ascians in general. I guess I wasn’t expecting to find some people actually consider Hydaelin to be the main villain/evil/genocidal.

[Theodric]

It's almost like people can see genocide as a bad and highly unfortunate thing across the board, rather than solely when it's conducted by the antagonists.

The common stance for many is, in actuality, that although it makes sense for the Sundered not to be expected to just roll over and die for the sake of the Unsundered the reverse is true as well. Furthermore, it was Hydaelyn who put both sides in such an unpleasant position in the first place so criticising her for that is...not at all unreasonable. To claim otherwise is to suggest that sometimes genocide is 'necessary', at which point we circle back to wondering why those arguing as such even have an issue in the first place.

Furthermore, it's just pixels on a screen at the end of the day. Nobody becomes a serial killer in the real world if they join the Dark Brotherhood in an Elder Scrolls game.

[Ssmiley_Bjakkzz]

I remember when i was young, i used to love play around with friends, with teenage turtles and hit music on radio at backround for immersive scenario roleplay game, as young we weere much creative, today when online games out i found final fantasy ffxiv as my new own playground to hit with friends for roleplay and similar fun, i guess something complains here we all agree we cant get what we want out from ffxiv so we put out cries on forum for attention, like hear me out i wanna play with you too or hear me can you play with me too! at least that what i felt much before i went into solitude for loving.

[aveyond-dreams]

I would wait to discuss Endwalker until 7.0 is released. It is quite possible that something embedded in 6.0 and unnoticeable at first glance will "shoot" in the future. The game is not over yet and we can expect a lot more discoveries that can turn everything upside down. SE are such entertainers.

Sorry for the bad English.

I think that issues with both content and writing should be pointed out and actively discussed as they are noticed. Many efforts were made to stifle the discussion surrounding the limited hair choices for Viera and Hrothgar, shaming people for asking for the standard already established by the other races only for everyone to then get upset when 2 years passed without a single update. Perhaps if they had not been so defensive about how those two races released they would've gotten those updates much sooner.

The same can easily be applied to the story, which at least saw a marked difference between 6.1 and 6.2. 6.1 had the infamous magical girl scene and Estinien trying to land jokes in the MSQ, and after much critique thankfully no such scenes were present in the MSQ for 6.2. The most we got close to that was the scene where Zero met Nidhana, except that one was actually fitting and not completely random like Y'shtola's scene was. It appears that the humour, for those who are interested in it, will be contained to side content. As it should be.

I have no plans to force myself to play through the Loporrit and Omicron tribe questline, however I still am quite upset that rather than finish off the Ivalician/Bozja story that relics have now been linked to Hildibrand, of all things. Hopefully the controversy that arose from that will allow them to make better choices for the relic in the future. A well-crafted story that takes itself seriously, keeping light-heartedness and dark moments properly balanced will appeal to most people. A darker story, while may disappoint some, is usually not enough to make people consider uninstalling. A story that used to be serious and leaning towards an epic conclusion being overloaded with slice of life and humour at the last minute? That is when problems arise.

[Kazhar]

Just to be clear, I was talking about Emet-Selch/the ascians in general. I guess I wasn’t expecting to find some people actually consider Hydaelin to be the main villain/evil/genocidal.

Main villain and evil are debatable, I can see arguments on both sides (even though I'm really partial to the idea that yes, she is an evil person). But is it really SUCH a stretch to see the idea of intentionally and forcefully destroying the bodies and personalities of millions of people as awfully similar (if not a textbook definition) to genocide? When it's said on different social media platforms some people react extremely negatively like we've taken crazy pills and I've no idea why.

[Teraq]

Main villain and evil are debatable, I can see arguments on both sides (even though I'm really partial to the idea that yes, she is an evil person). But is it really SUCH a stretch to see the idea of intentionally and forcefully destroying the bodies and personalities of millions of people as awfully similar (if not a textbook definition) to genocide? When it's said on different social media platforms some people react extremely negatively like we've taken crazy pills and I've no idea why.

I am genuinely baffled by this game's fanbase. Coming from a franchise which has Sephiroth and Kefka as some of its most popular characters, not to mention Kuja, the varied Shinra employees… Villains have always been popular, no matter the body count or even sometimes because of it.

[TheSuperior]

I am genuinely baffled by this game's fanbase. Coming from a franchise which has Sephiroth and Kefka as some of its most popular characters, not to mention Kuja, the varied Shinra employees… Villains have always been popular, no matter the body count or even sometimes because of it.

It's ok to like hot characters and last I checked, Sephiroth and just about all of ShinRa are s m o k i n'

[Teraq]

I also can't see where anyone here has used the 'b' word to describe Venat...?

What a classic. Make the not-so-subtle accusation of misogyny where there was none to score internet points. Venat's gender has never mattered, whether out of universe (as far as I'm concerned) or within, because that's just how based Ancients were.

Not only was Venat's choice only really "impossible" in her head because of her own fears about how people would react, leading to her inaction, but substituting the word "genocide" by its definition doesn't really make it any less genocide.

[Boblawblah]

Firstly, it isn't 'extreme language' at all. Nobody is swearing when it comes to Venat and if you've been following this thread's trajectory it seems...strange to ignore the full on meltdown including shouting and swearing from someone rushing to defend Venat against the 'evil edgelords'. Secondly, I imagine a lot of people aren't hugely interested in the idea of seeking approval for approval's sake. A more sensible approach would be for people to agree to disagree. Nobody is obligated to root for Venat or find her motives and actions praiseworthy.

I think what the real issue here is that some people simply aren't used to both sides being called out for what is essentially the same thing. The Sundering qualifies as genocide as the same way as the Rejoinings do. It really isn't anymore complicated than that. If the intention was for the writers to endear people to Venat then not making her deliberately responsible for the genocide of countless innocents, already traumatised by the Final Days, would have been the smarter move.

I also can't see where anyone here has used the 'b' word to describe Venat...?

If you don't care to understand why people disagree with you, then fair enough. Stick to your little group here, feeling superior. It IS extreme language for most people imo.

[aveyond-dreams]

Both Emet-Selch and Venat have done terrible things. Emet-Selch is a villain. So is Venat. Hades from greek mythology and a fallen angel derived from Christian legends. It is ok to like one or the other, but the game has only painted a proper picture of one.