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  1. #71
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    I wouldn't say it is gated behind expert crafts. Yes, you can put in the fountain. Supposedly it adds to your mammets' "groove" (my sanctuary isn't R10 yet so I can't find out). However, you do not need more groove nor do you need this landmark. It is optional - just like all of Island Sanctuary.

    Personally, I would have wanted to see the Water Otter Fountain parts to be untradeable. Only let players that can make them have them on their island.
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  2. #72
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    It was said (even in game) that you do NOT have to have a DoH or DoL job to do IS stuff. Then you suddenly do anyway.

    I'll do what I usually do with this kind of thing. I always get around to eventually leveling my DoH and DoL jobs. I'll do that and get the gear from the next expansion to make it easy to get the stats.

    I could easily just buy the fountain, I have the gil, but I will not do so.
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  3. #73
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    Quote Originally Posted by Adeacia View Post
    It was said (even in game) that you do NOT have to have a DoH or DoL job to do IS stuff. Then you suddenly do anyway.

    I'll do what I usually do with this kind of thing. I always get around to eventually leveling my DoH and DoL jobs. I'll do that and get the gear from the next expansion to make it easy to get the stats.

    I could easily just buy the fountain, I have the gil, but I will not do so.
    Strictly speaking you don't have to do DoH or DoL stuff for IS. All of the content is doable without it. The only thing that is "gated" behind crafter/gatherers is a customisation option.
    In the same vein, one might say that glamour is "gated" behind a paywall (Mogstation).
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  4. #74
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    That's really disappointing. It really shouldn't require levelling all the way to 90 or buying items for artificially high prices off the market board if it's optional content that's not supposed to affect it be affected by the main game.
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    Quote Originally Posted by VerdeLuck View Post
    That's really disappointing. It really shouldn't require levelling all the way to 90 or buying items for artificially high prices off the market board if it's optional content that's not supposed to affect it be affected by the main game.
    What's your definition of "optional content" in this respect?
    Only it seems that the same could be applied to many other things, not just IS.
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  6. #76
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    Quote Originally Posted by VerdeLuck View Post
    That's really disappointing. It really shouldn't require levelling all the way to 90 or buying items for artificially high prices off the market board if it's optional content that's not supposed to affect it be affected by the main game.
    It's not required.

    It's literally optional content within optional content to acquire the fountain. Nothing for progress.
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  7. #77
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    Quote Originally Posted by Iscah View Post
    It's not required.

    It's literally optional content within optional content to acquire the fountain. Nothing for progress.
    It's the final goal of island sanctuary, it is part of the progression, it's the reward for progressing. But people without level 90 pentamelded crafters just don't get to have it for some reason. Saying 'just don't finish island sanctuary then" seems like a pretty weak justification.
    It's not technically needed if you're going to be pedantic but it's kind of a slap in the face to just gate the content off for no reason from people without level 90 crafters without warning.
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    Quote Originally Posted by VerdeLuck View Post
    It's the final goal of island sanctuary, it is part of the progression, it's the reward for progressing. But people without level 90 pentamelded crafters just don't get to have it for some reason. Saying 'just don't finish island sanctuary then" seems like a pretty weak justification.
    It's not technically needed if you're going to be pedantic but it's kind of a slap in the face to just gate the content off for no reason from people without level 90 crafters without warning.
    It isn't the final goal. As I understand it, the final goal is the lighthouse at level 10.
    The fountain is literally just an optional cosmetic you can have in place of the 4 available landmarks.
    It's the 5th of 4 spaces, so you aren't missing out on anything functionally by not having it.
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  9. #79
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    Quote Originally Posted by Iyrnthota View Post
    It isn't the final goal. As I understand it, the final goal is the lighthouse at level 10.
    The fountain is literally just an optional cosmetic you can have in place of the 4 available landmarks.
    It's the 5th of 4 spaces, so you aren't missing out on anything functionally by not having it.
    It's a capstone you get afterwards. Saying it's optional is just being pedantic. The developers said it would not factor into the main game and you wouldn't need level 90 crafters for the content inside.
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    Quote Originally Posted by VerdeLuck View Post
    It's a capstone you get afterwards. Saying it's optional is just being pedantic. The developers said it would not factor into the main game and you wouldn't need level 90 crafters for the content inside.
    They said it wouldn't be "required". And it's not. You can do all IS content without it.
    Again, I would like you to define optional.
    You yourself refered to this content as optional, but apparently when I use it I'm being pedantic.
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