Island Content Gated behind Expertise Crafts

[Valfreyja]

It never should have been. It's an Island thing, it should have been earned via the Island. Not something else.

SE should 100% be called out for doing it, because it sets the precedent that future stuff for the Island can be gated behind Expert Crafts.
Not everyone enjoys Expert Crafting.
Not everyone should be forced into shelling out millions of gil for stuff like this.

Give Expert Crafters something else to sell for their gil. Or let them earn gil like everyone else.

[Wyssahtyn]

You're going to have a very long wait if you think better gear is the solution.

Most don't understand just how difficult these recipes are even with current BiS pentamelding. There's very heavy RNG so you can't just macro them like people are doing with the recipes for the 610 gear. There are no HQ materials to make them easier. Failure rates are high. Shadowbringers Expert recipes were very forgiving in comparison.

If you want the fountain sooner not later but can't make the items yourself and don't want to pay full marketboard prices, look at the Maker's Signature on the parts already on the marketboard. Those are crafters that have proven they're able to get at least occasional success. Maybe they'll work out a deal with you, maybe not. It's probably still going to end up costing you more than you want to pay.

Well, I was thinking along the lines of having to wait an expansion anyway when I made that comment since we only got like one more crafting gear upgrade if I recall my patch timeline correctly. Friend of mine did refer me to someone who was crafting them on commission and the crafter told me it's basically a 50/50 whether you craft it or not and that the amount of mats I'd prepared beforehand was basically incredibly optimistic, so I feel like I've been suitably enlightened towards Expert Crafts. Reminds me of Heavensward-era crafting since I think I recall an incident where I'd asked an omnicrafter to craft some crafted green armor from my mats back then and RNG basically just decided "lolno" on one of them, iirc anyway. 8 mil was a decent deal for now though if prices on Universalis are up to date (rounds out to something like 13-14 mil-ish, I think). Even knocked a mil off from my mats.

Has anyone tried to confirm if the fountain is unique so we'd be limited to one per island?

Because if we can have multiple, I'll have a hard time choosing between selling my extra parts or using them to make more fountains for my island. They look so much better than the other landmarks.

You turn in mats for a permit, the permit unlocks the ability to make the fountain at a landmark location, and from the looks of it, you can have multiple of them. It gives you the option to reconstruct further landmarks into it anyway, I don't have enough alyssum on hand to actually confirm whether it lets you or not.

[Lunalepsy]

I thought that island content was supposed to be completely seperate and not requiring DoH or DoL for the island. However if you get the island to rank 10 and complete the final mission as well as have everything upgraded to rank 3 and all the land marks posted you get the permit for the Water Odder Otter Fountain for the Land marks, however, it is locked behind expert crafts behind DoH outside of the Island. Correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't it stated that DoH and DoL was not required for all island content. If you don't have it the cost of the materials needed for the permit range from 12 million to 15 million gil pending the server.

It makes those clases useful. What is the issue?

[Skivvy]

It makes those clases useful. What is the issue?

I'm an omnicrafter, but I still would have preferred to have the island be 100% self-sufficient. Take out the green cowrie items if people are having issues with that crossover into the "outside" world as well.

I personally don't consume a lot of FF news, although I will typically catch a LL now and then. The slides they showed in the LL made it seem like it would be completely solo play and you could do everything on your own, without the need of DoH/Dol jobs, and I think a lot of people were looking forward to that.

Now obviously there were other interviews, such as the one posted earlier in this thread, and they did expand a bit on IS and hinted that outside help would be needed at higher levels. So as far as the advanced warning, it was there, if you saw that interview (I didn't until now).

But with all that said, this was still SE's choice in how they designed the entire thing. Island Sanctuary very easily could have been 100% solo play, no DoH/L required as the slides make it seem. Why did they need to involve the DoH/L jobs? Do we not get enough fun making bank off of people leveling jobs, raiding, glam items & new patch gear? Why did they feel the need to link this insanely casual content to crafters as well?

[SturmChurro]

I'm an omnicrafter, but I still would have preferred to have the island be 100% self-sufficient. Take out the green cowrie items if people are having issues with that crossover into the "outside" world as well.

I personally don't consume a lot of FF news, although I will typically catch a LL now and then. The slides they showed in the LL made it seem like it would be completely solo play and you could do everything on your own, without the need of DoH/Dol jobs, and I think a lot of people were looking forward to that.

Now obviously there were other interviews, such as the one posted earlier in this thread, and they did expand a bit on IS and hinted that outside help would be needed at higher levels. So as far as the advanced warning, it was there, if you saw that interview (I didn't until now).

But with all that said, this was still SE's choice in how they designed the entire thing. Island Sanctuary very easily could have been 100% solo play, no DoH/L required as the slides make it seem. Why did they need to involve the DoH/L jobs? Do we not get enough fun making bank off of people leveling jobs, raiding, glam items & new patch gear? Why did they feel the need to link this insanely casual content to crafters as well?

Yeah, when I first head about IS I saw it as something I wouldn't be able to do, because I don't have any crafters/gatherers leveled. Or it would be content that would be largely meaningless for me to do. When I read that it was self-contained content, and I would be able to participate in it, that's when I felt like it was content I could check out. Hearing them shoehorning crafters in, especially as aesthetics are a big thing, is disappointing most definitely. I haven't even been that negative about the content, because I didn't go in with really any expectations, but this is something I really don't like, as it could mean more stuff could be locked behind that.

I know some players would just say to level your crafters/gatherers then, but that's not really the point.

[Darthgummibear]

Take out the green cowrie items if people are having issues with that crossover into the "outside" world as well.

The green side of the vendor seems completely pointless. I wish you could convert those excess mats to the blue at a lower rate or something.

[Semirhage]

Lol, "this optional part of side content requires input from crafters, I'm being FORCED to do this! Nerf it, nerf it, REEEEEEEEEEEE"

This community is amazing.

[Denji]

I'm glad this stuff exists. I have a few friends who always feel a little overwhelmed by the end-game raiding content but love to craft and this seems to be enjoyable for them.

[Momo_Kozuki]

SE wants a content for crafter/gatherer outside of the normal things people do with their raid preparation. Since they have already done with Ishgard Restoration and there is nothing similar along the line for them to-date, they seems to test if they can make the island as something for crafter/gatherer to flex their gear too.


I expect future cabin/facility glams and landmarks will require geared-to-the-teeth crafters/gatherers again.


I feel that they should focus on a relic line for crafter/gatherer instead if they want contents for these professions.

[Darthgummibear]

I feel that they should focus on a relic line for crafter/gatherer instead if they want contents for these professions.

Lol...the community would go ballistic if they did this. Relic lines are grindy enough as it is without throwing that crap on top of it.