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    People seem to believe that

    Hephaistos is part Athena for some reason - he isn't. Probably an English translation quirk.

    Just because he agrees with and pursues her goals as if he were her doesn't mean there's literally a part of her soul which entered him at some point or anything like that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eisi View Post
    People seem to believe that

    Hephaistos is part Athena for some reason - he isn't. Probably an English translation quirk.

    Just because he agrees with and pursues her goals as if he were her doesn't mean there's literally a part of her soul which entered him at some point or anything like that.
    People "seem to believe it" because Lahabrea outright says it, without elaborating, to the one other person who knows the full story.

    LAHABREA
    Athena cared naught for Erichthonios, beyond how he could serve her ends.
    You claim to be acting in his interest, but 'tis plain you are no different.
    As I ushered Athena to her end, I vowed that my sole mission in life would be to guide this star true.
    In service to that vow, I silenced the whispers of my heart. I could not nurture a son whilst an entire world looked to me for guidance. For that choice, I bear the responsibility...
    Yet he is still my son, and I'll not suffer you to seduce him with false hope. You, who are naught but the bitter dregs of Athena and I─the very worst of us!
    Having tracked down that quote, I also see he alludes to having killed Athena, but that's still light on detail.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Iscah View Post
    People "seem to believe it" because Lahabrea outright says it, without elaborating, to the one other person who knows the full story.



    Having tracked down that quote, I also see he alludes to having killed Athena, but that's still light on detail.
    No he doesn't at all! You even posted the quote! Read it!

    That's not proof for your point, that's a metaphor. Hephaistos held Athena's beliefs which grew in the part of Lahabrea's soul that was in agreement with her. Hephaistos was NOT (fully or in part) Athena's soul, he was Athena's emotions, memories, beliefs and experiences.


    Now let me take your position for a second, I think I would interpret it like this:

    After the merger, part of Athena's literal soul was still attached to Lahabrea and possibly vice versa as well. That's the part of Athena that he then rid himself of to create Hephaistos.


    That's however mere conjecture based on what I consider to be a misinterpretation of metaphorical language.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eisi View Post
    No he doesn't at all! You even posted the quote! Read it!

    That's not proof for your point, that's a metaphor. Hephaistos held Athena's beliefs which grew in the part of Lahabrea's soul that was in agreement with her. Hephaistos was NOT (fully or in part) Athena's soul, he was Athena's emotions, memories, beliefs and experiences.


    Now let me take your position for a second, I think I would interpret it like this:

    After the merger, part of Athena's literal soul was still attached to Lahabrea and possibly vice versa as well. That's the part of Athena that he then rid himself of to create Hephaistos.


    That's however mere conjecture based on what I consider to be a misinterpretation of metaphorical language.
    You, who are naught but the bitter dregs of Athena and I─the very worst of us!

    Dregs (n) - the most worthless part or parts of something.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WellGramarye View Post
    You, who are naught but the bitter dregs of Athena and I─the very worst of us!

    Dregs (n) - the most worthless part or parts of something.
    I think we are in agreement then. This has nothing to do with her literal soul. But in case we're not, let's make a bet about 6.4, you can set the rules.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WellGramarye View Post
    You, who are naught but the bitter dregs of Athena and I─the very worst of us!

    Dregs (n) - the most worthless part or parts of something.
    You're assuming that he means literal parts and not character traits. Like their obsession as researchers.
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