Tales from the Dawn

[Lurina]

We aren't given a firm date or anything but I'd wager it was sooner, a week or two before effects were seen on the planet. She should have told more people, at least pull more people to her side instead of having the vast majority siding with the fourteen

That's definitely not right. Pandaemonium takes place some time after MSQ Elpis, and nothing has happened.

The Amaurotines were incapable of dealing with Meteion directly because of their aether, so that wasn't actually relevant to the discussion.

The question was, having summoned Zodiark and having averted the crisis for the time being, whether it was necessary to still keep sacrificing souls to Him in order to build their perfect paradise. Having already seen several tangible examples of societies that went that exact same route, they might as well have renamed Him Ra-la and be done with it.

You were arguing that the Dead Ends societies weren't supposed to be representative of any sort of objective predetermined fate in the other thread just two weeks ago.

The circumstances around why the civilization of the Plenty ended are open to interpretation. Was it the ennui of the lives that they created for themselves? Was it the fact that eliminating interpersonal conflict comes at the cost of individuality and diversity? That the first external entity (Meteion) that their civilization encountered raised an existential crisis that their singular hivemind couldn't handle? Either way, the exact mechanism is left to you, the player, to interpret.

You can't just change your opinions based on whatever you're trying to assert at the time.

And calling him a simp (I know you haven’t but others have) or a fanatic is a bit reductive no?

You've misunderstood what I mean by fanatic. I mean an ideologue. Someone who will take extreme and violent actions not for a concrete material aim, but to impose their ideology for its own sake. My point is that this is a much more difficult position to sympathize with, and they've done nothing to deter this interpretation of his character.

Anyway, I take your point about it not really being relevant to the short story, but I still think they would have mentioned or alluded to him knowing about the dynamis stuff if he did. especially since they already devote a couple paragraphs to explaining the situation and the Hydaelyn faction's motive and, well, don't. For months people have been asserting that of course Venat told her followers everything, and we now have explicit confirmation that isn't true, it's hard to keep taking what seems like the more sensible reading of the story as a given.

Like, I wouldn't be surprised if they straight-up didn't even know what the final scenario was going to be when they wrote that Anemensis dialogue. Hell, it increasingly seems like they still don't.

[EaraGrace]

You've misunderstood what I mean by fanatic. I mean an ideologue. Someone who will take extreme and violent actions not for a concrete material aim, but to impose their ideology for its own sake. My point is that this is a much more difficult position to sympathize with, and they've done nothing to deter this interpretation of his character.

I think that’s fine. It’s not meant to personally convince you of anything, just to offer characterization where there wasn’t and leave it to the reader to decide what they feel. I can understand being frustrated that it isn’t trying to do that, especially because I do understand and believe that many are interested in resolution in this topic, but I also can’t blame the writers for not focusing on it.

Anyway, I take your point about it not really being relevant to the short story, but I still don't really think it would have been hard to offhandedly clarify his motives if they weren't just ideological and he knew about the dynamis junk. Especially since they already devote a couple paragraphs to explaining the situation and the Hydaelyn faction's motive. For months people have been asserting that of course Venat told her followers everything, and we now have explicit confirmation that isn't true, it's hard to keep taking what seems like the more sensible reading of the story as a given.

I don’t think the information that was withheld was the info people were accusing her of being for hiding. The existence of the Loporrits, Amons killing of Zodiark and Emet recreating the Final Days aren’t the kinds of things people focused on. If someone wants to hold her to task for that then sure, by all means, but I don’t consider that enough to change my position that she let others in the know nor does that invalidate those who argued such in the past.

And if I may, it was also argued for months that Venat was solely dedicated to maintaining the timeline and believed our words on the future to be gospel truth. We now have another piece of evidence that’s not the case, that Venats thoughts and feelings run counter to that plan, yet few have brought that up. In the context of what Venat feels is best to tell others, doesn’t that consideration also deserve some discussion? After all if she is right that future events don’t need to happen, then wouldn’t sharing that information not close off other solutions?