Endwalker Story sucked and it's time to admit it

[Theodric]

You're not alone. I liked some aspects of Endwalker but it has proven to be a very divisive expansion - especially for a lot of people invested in the story and those who simply enjoy logical, consistent world building. The strange attempts to justify genocide and paint the culprit as a 'herois' is also rather strange.

The decision to artificially conclude major ongoing storylines in the same expansion also left them with not enough time to build up naturally and breathe. Even in the most recent patch things are arguably moving too quickly.

[Tenken7]

You're not alone. I liked some aspects of Endwalker but it has proven to be a very divisive expansion - especially for a lot of people invested in the story and those who simply enjoy logical, consistent world building. The strange attempts to justify genocide and paint the culprit as a 'herois' is also rather strange.

The decision to artificially conclude major ongoing storylines in the same expansion also left them with not enough time to build up naturally and breathe. Even in the most recent patch things are arguably moving too quickly.

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I agree with everything you said.

[Delily]

The strange attempts to justify genocide and paint the culprit as a 'herois' is also rather strange.

The decision to artificially conclude major ongoing storylines in the same expansion also left them with not enough time to build up naturally and breathe. Even in the most recent patch things are arguably moving too quickly.

I disagree with the OP's opinion, as I liked Endwalker's story. However, I admit I am confused by people who throw out the genocide argument. It was made pretty clear with the summoning of Zodiark that eventually all life would be sacrificed to fuel Zodiark to create a facsimile of the world they once had. So, the choice was to sacrifice everyone to Zodiark or sunder the world and give mankind a chance of survival. Or are people thinking there's a third option to stop the Endsinger and preserve life? The ancients admitted they would not have known how to deal with Meteion had Venat told them.

A spoiled brat with, daddy issues, destroyed an entire civilization because life is so "mean". What an awful ending. Also, you don't just introduce new characters that late in the saga. Just terrible storytelling.

That's a surface-level understanding of Meteion. The villain was always Hermes and his disagreement with how the ancients dealt with creations leading to his nihilism. Meteion and the Endsinger were just the tools of that. The point was to show how the ancients' callous disregard for life led to their undoing.

[Thenightvortex]

I disagree with the OP's opinion, as I liked Endwalker's story. However, I admit I am confused by people who throw out the genocide argument. It was made pretty clear with the summoning of Zodiark that eventually all life would be sacrificed to fuel Zodiark to create a facsimile of the world they once had. So, the choice was to sacrifice everyone to Zodiark or sunder the world and give mankind a chance of survival. Or are people thinking there's a third option to stop the Endsinger and preserve life? The ancients admitted they would not have known how to deal with Meteion had Venat told them.



That's a surface-level understanding of Meteion. The villain was always Hermes and his disagreement with how the ancients dealt with creations leading to his nihilism. Meteion and the Endsinger were just the tools of that. The point was to show how the ancients' callous disregard for life led to their undoing.

There is no indication that all life would eventually be sacrificed. There were three planned sacrifices we know of, and all were with a particular purpose. If their people would be brought back, there would be no reason for the ancients to continue. Also the only way the ancients have admitted that they wouldn’t have been able to deal with Meteion is Emet-Selch giving merit to Venat’s plan in the end, they still did not get a fair chance at stopping the cataclysm.

[Lauront]

The point was to show how the ancients' callous disregard for life led to their undoing.

Doesn't bode well for the sundered then, now does it? In fact, Amon did seem quite ready to condemn them as well.

Equally though, it has nothing to do with her own 'test', which was focused on dealing with despair (or how she thought that should be done... granted, "it's complicated"), not anything to do with the above.

[SentioftheHoukai]

Doesn't bode well for the sundered then, now does it? In fact, Amon did seem quite ready to condemn them as well.

Equally though, it has nothing to do with her own 'test', which was focused on dealing with despair (or how she thought that should be done... granted, "it's complicated"), not anything to do with the above.

Yeah, I feel like for as forgettable a character as Amon is (at least to me) people are all too willing and eager to forget just WHY he condemned the Sundered and wanted them all to die. For the sake of those who have chosen to forget for convenience's sake, I'll remind you. Amon's motive was because when he gazed at the Sundered as a people, he saw the same "callous disregard for life" as y'all put it that he saw in his own people. To him, the people of the Star hadn't changed. Nay, if anything they'd gotten worse since having been Sundered in the eyes of the man who'd Judge all of mankind by his vision. For all that y'all like to condemn the Ancients for some moral failing, the Sundered have every vice you see in them multiplied many times over.

As much as I hate Amon's guts, once, just this once to my own horror and consternation I'm gonna have to agree with him. The Sundered he was stuck with were no better than the Ancients who came before. The closest comparison I can make, is likening them to real-life humanity versus a humanity from an anime, book, movie or what have you where all of humanity has superpowers and are thus mechanically and physically superior to real-life humans who lack any sort of extraneous abilities that flaunt the laws that make up reality as we know it to be. Nevertheless, as we so often see these "extra-humans" let's call them will inevitably share mortal life's failings, our vices and our sins. The people we love to hate and denigrate. At the end of the day, we of intelligent stock have no choice but to face the reality that the Ancients were narratively condemned not because of hubris, nor vice, nor any form of moral failing for we ALL possess these things. Nay, the uncomfortable, painful reality of the situation is that the Ancients were killed off because they were DIFFERENT. And THAT is horrifying to me.