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  1. #11
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    Gemina's Avatar
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    Gemina Lunarian
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    Siren
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sunhwapark View Post
    This would defintiely be a welcomed addition to the job HUD, although, I imagined that they would have considered something like this when consolidating the skills together in the first place.

    Feels like they just copied over the function of how it was in previous expansions, but we didn't have to track Minor Arcana as it had a 1 second recast and was limited in use due to the fact that it was a way of converting a currently drawn card into a Lord/Lady, rather than pulling one out of thin air on an independant timer.

    Seems like they forgot to consider that part.
    It's just on oversight and will very likely get hotfixed to show the timer in the very next maintenance, which saddens me as AST has not only button bloat, but skill bloat as well

    I am indifferent to this change because I already nuked Minor Arcana off of my crossbar and hotbars. Totally tacked on and completely redundant skill.

    I should post the video I have in the Sephirot unreal trial where everyone is dead except me and I tickle the boss with Lord of Crowns before he proceeds to eat my face with an auto attack. I don't know why, but I couldn't stop laughing xD
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    Last edited by Gemina; 08-25-2022 at 02:23 AM.

  2. #12
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    Marius Heilstos
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    Hey Guys,

    I have warned about this change in the forum. And most players wanted the "crown play" to go away. I understood the reason why "Crown Play" had to be there.

    Now the players who had this wish have to apologize for it. I don't see the fault of the developers, who now have to find a solution for this. But hey, it's easier to complain about the developers. You should be careful what you wish for.

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  3. #13
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    Sebazy Spiritwalker
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    Quote Originally Posted by Heilstos View Post
    Hey Guys,

    I have warned about this change in the forum. And most players wanted the "crown play" to go away. I understood the reason why "Crown Play" had to be there.

    Now the players who had this wish have to apologize for it. I don't see the fault of the developers, who now have to find a solution for this. But hey, it's easier to complain about the developers. You should be careful what you wish for.

    Or maybe the developers could have actually paid attention and realised that this would have been an issue? There are a multitude of ways SE can fix this with a timer on the job UI probably being the most straight forward.

    As for crown play needing to be there, don't make me laugh. Are you forgetting that this is how Draw originally functioned back in Heavensward? Stormblood splitting it into separate Draw & Play keys was also a significant regression at the time and similarly required a later patch to correct things. Crown Play being a distinct key from Minor Arcana was and always would have been pure and simple button bloat.

    You're not getting the slightest bit of an apology out of me for that.
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  4. #14
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    Esther Harper
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    Quote Originally Posted by Heilstos View Post
    Hey Guys,

    I have warned about this change in the forum. And most players wanted the "crown play" to go away. I understood the reason why "Crown Play" had to be there.

    Now the players who had this wish have to apologize for it. I don't see the fault of the developers, who now have to find a solution for this. But hey, it's easier to complain about the developers. You should be careful what you wish for.

    What in the world are on you on?

    The people giving feedback wanted the two skills on one button like SE has proven with other skills is entirely possible but they borked it and naturally, players are unhappy. There are enough ways to solve it, they chose the worst way of implementing it and now you're demanding apologies from the players like you have any authority or moral high ground?
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  5. #15
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    Rintha Elenah
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    Quote Originally Posted by Heilstos View Post
    Hey Guys,

    I have warned about this change in the forum. And most players wanted the "crown play" to go away. I understood the reason why "Crown Play" had to be there.

    Now the players who had this wish have to apologize for it. I don't see the fault of the developers, who now have to find a solution for this. But hey, it's easier to complain about the developers. You should be careful what you wish for.

    Not gonna apologize for obvious button bloat. Minor Arcana/Crown Play being separate buttons is completely unnecessary, just like Draw/Play being separate buttons. And I'm hoping that latter one gets changed in the next major patch.

    As for having to "find a solution", they could always just add an element to the job gauge which shows the current cooldown of Minor Arcana.
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  6. #16
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    Eh I don’t mind it. I count in my head lol.
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  7. #17
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    Fukudo Daisho
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    When Draw/Play were the same button in 4.x, Draw's recast doesn't start counting until you use Play, so cards had to be used asap instead of waiting for the burst. But at that time cards were 30 secs so it was less of a problem.

    I can only think of 3 ways:
    1. Add a recast timer to the UI. You still can't overwrite Lady but you can live with it in most situations.
    2. Revert the merge. Ast's button bloat is still on the bearable side to me. But if you must, maybe remove Draw/Draw Crown all together, and let the cards draw themselves automatically over time like all other jobs' resources? I mean auto draw was already implemented once when Sleeve Draw was a mess at around 5.1.
    3. Auto use Lady/Lord after 60 seconds. Lord bursting itself might be a problem aggroing stuff in dungeons or the open world though.
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  8. #18
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    Fukudo Daisho
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    I'm posting this as another reply because it's a totally unrelated idea.
    Maybe remove the randomness in the Crowns and make Lady and Lord 2 separate abilities?
    This way Lady can be preplanned in fights and people can always use their Lord while getting rid of the timer problem.
    Please don't make them share the same recast time though as it'll turn it into another Energy Drain dilemma.
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  9. #19
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    Gemina Lunarian
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    Siren
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    Quote Originally Posted by TakumiHarada View Post
    When Draw/Play were the same button in 4.x, Draw's recast doesn't start counting until you use Play, so cards had to be used asap instead of waiting for the burst. But at that time cards were 30 secs so it was less of a problem.

    I can only think of 3 ways:
    1. Add a recast timer to the UI. You still can't overwrite Lady but you can live with it in most situations.
    2. Revert the merge. Ast's button bloat is still on the bearable side to me. But if you must, maybe remove Draw/Draw Crown all together, and let the cards draw themselves automatically over time like all other jobs' resources? I mean auto draw was already implemented once when Sleeve Draw was a mess at around 5.1.
    3. Auto use Lady/Lord after 60 seconds. Lord bursting itself might be a problem aggroing stuff in dungeons or the open world though.
    4. Delete Minor Arcana

    If anyone can make a case for their continued existence, and/or other ways they could be implemented, I would be glad to read them. But Minor Arcana in its present state has got to go.

    This does beg the question as to it being a lv 70 cap ability, and to that I think other abilities can be shifted around a bit to compensate. Lightspeed is also a really powerful ability to gain access to at such an early level. It becomes much more useful in the latter levels.

    This might be all moot anyway though since they will be reworking the cards yet again come next expansion. In the meantime I just say nuke it. Trust me when I say you will feel liberated of this back of bricks.
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  10. #20
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    Jey Schwarzer
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    Astrologian Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Heilstos View Post
    Hey Guys,

    I have warned about this change in the forum. And most players wanted the "crown play" to go away. I understood the reason why "Crown Play" had to be there.

    Now the players who had this wish have to apologize for it. I don't see the fault of the developers, who now have to find a solution for this. But hey, it's easier to complain about the developers. You should be careful what you wish for.

    You need to realize that, we want 1 key to process minor arcana doesn't mean we don't need to see the skill count down.
    Why players have to apologize when developers doing a terrible adjustment????

    Players are providing some solution such as setting addition to the job HUD.

    It's easier to complain about the players, developers should be careful what they adjust for.
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